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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biological sex is apparently - ambiguous.

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andyoldlabour · 01/04/2021 18:39

Yes, you read that correctly. How anyone can make a statement like that is beyond me. But the person in the following video states it quite confidently.
Words fail me.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/04/2021 11:52

If you think it’s clothes or beliefs or affectations that make you a man or a woman, you are a sexist, and seriously out of touch with reality.

Hear hear Heather!

Strangeststrangment · 02/04/2021 12:43

I'm vegan so know a lot about the dark side of animal agriculture.
Arguments of whether vegan is the right thing to do aside, dairy and egg production does absolutely use female animals as a commodity. They are the machines that produce the products. It's fact. Male animals have their own problems, as they are generally discarded due to not being useful to the industry.
How on earth anyone who claims to be vegan can insert themselves into animal suffering is beyond me.
It's kind of annoying being lumped in with people who don't really care about animals but just enjoy the label.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 02/04/2021 19:46

@murmurflation

Wow that vegan feminists thing is interesting. It seems to start with a coherent if slightly mad argument that feminism should reject all the concepts of feminine and masculine and of men and women - so noone is a woman, they might be a person with a uterus but they're all persons.

(That would seem to make it impossible to transition. )

Then I think it jumps straight to TWAW and the central importance of affirming this . So, for ideological reasons, women are not women, but persons, but transwomen are women. People with uteruses should reject the woman label but people with penises should claim it. This step does seem mad to me - please debate this if it makes sense to you.

Yes, it goes around in a circle where in the end it does accept that even if you don't call the milk producing cow a female, it will still be the cow which produces milk that will be exploited. (Except now it is as if part of the language to describe that is lost). You are left with "persons with uteruses".

But how do we name these persons with uteruses who happen to also be the persons who produce the milk (the article has no answer).

dyslek · 02/04/2021 19:51

Thats an unambiguous voice.

Frogartist · 02/04/2021 19:56

@ListeningQuietly

I just re watched that video. A lot of sniffing going on Hmm
Yes, not very stereotypically feminine.
ListeningQuietly · 02/04/2021 20:36

Frog
No idea if its feminine or not.
Cocaine it certainly is.

Frogartist · 02/04/2021 20:53

@ListeningQuietly

Frog No idea if its feminine or not. Cocaine it certainly is.
Oh!
Mugginyouleftrightandcentre · 02/04/2021 21:00

@R0wantrees

Its a good exemplar of coercive-control pattern behaviour.
That's exactly what I thought when I watched that clip.
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