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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Census - what did you say? And its not too late to change comments online....

15 replies

loveyouradvice · 31/03/2021 16:48

Given I helped fund the successful court case and have been incandescent about it, I was horrified to discover that DH had casually filled in the Census a couple of weeks ago for the whole household without checking anything with me.

He was surprisingly hazy about how I could change it but I have eventually done so today

And was delighted to discover there is a Comments box at the end where you can give them feedback to improve future Census... including comments on Personal Questions.... So I did

Mine:

I am shocked that this Census used a non-legal definition of Sex until an emergency court case, which told it to use the legal definition.

This was unnecessary and costly to taxpayers. As a British Citizen, I expect the Census to follow the law.

It was also bizarre, demonstrating that the Census staff had been "captured" ie used the advice of trans-lobby groups to write the question, instead of the law. Particularly strange since you had consulted widely including with those who professionally depend on accurate statistics,& had stated in January you would be using the legal definition.

It has meant that you will have collected data that is statistically incorrect. By releasing the census early with the wrong information, a significant numbers of trans-identifying individuals will have self-identified their sex instead of using their legal sex. This is unfair to those needing accurate data & indeed to the many transpeople who want transpeople to be accurately counted

Yes there is a word count and I did it fast and foggy-headed so not the best but did mean I have stood up and will be counted! Hoping they have had lots of feedback about this....

OP posts:
OhHolyJesus · 31/03/2021 18:22

How did you manage to change it OP? Do you need to go to the original submission.

I narrowly avoided the same situation with DH. Caught him filling it in before the FPFW case was done as they sent the leaflets out early.

Evidencebased · 31/03/2021 18:37

Is this if the census has been filled in online?
Detailed instructions for tech-less-able would be appreciated.
You ok if we steal your wording?
Thanks

GiantKitten · 31/03/2021 18:38

When I put in the access code after completing ours it wouldn’t let me in again Confused

loveyouradvice · 31/03/2021 19:24

Delighted if you want to steal my wording - though definitely see it as sharing not stealing!

Instructions how to - as given to me by repentant DH - and yes they worked ... as did making him read what I posted!!

To complete an individual census form for yourself:

Go to: www.census.gov.uk

Select: Start Census

Enter your individual access code

Your answers will override the answers that I completed for you.

Enjoy!

(So sadly you do have to do the whole thing again but doesnt take long and was worth it - question about comments right at the end)

post edited by MNHQ

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Skyliner001 · 31/03/2021 19:35

I ticked sex female and gender female, then sent a comment saying how good it was that they had recognised transgender men and women 😊

Quaagars · 31/03/2021 19:36

I ticked sex female and gender female.
Didn't leave any comment though

BlackeyedSusan · 31/03/2021 21:16

it is good they recognised them sky. if one knows how many people are in need of services then the approprioate amount of money can be put aside for those services. filling in as same sex as your gender identity if you are trans will only do trans people harm in reducing the support offered to them. data are important.

AnyOldPrion · 31/03/2021 21:28

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Quaagars · 31/03/2021 21:32

Sorry, not sure what you're talking about there anyoldprion?
The OP asked what people had said on the census so I answered.
And I'm not a man Confused Hmm

AnyOldPrion · 31/03/2021 21:49

I started to write something to you, Quaagars, then changed my comment to something wholly different and forgot I’d quoted your post. I asked for it to be removed as soon as I realised.

Quaagars · 31/03/2021 21:55

Ah fair enough, no worries Smile

Applesandpears23 · 31/03/2021 21:58

You might want to ask mn to remove your access code as anyone could use that to rewrite your census answers.

Skyliner001 · 01/04/2021 08:38

@BlackeyedSusan agreed x

loveyouradvice · 03/04/2021 11:50

Yup - this is what I don't understand.

WHY would you do that to your fellow transgender people?

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Xanthangum · 03/04/2021 11:56

"filling in as same sex as your gender identity if you are trans will only do trans people harm in reducing the support offered to them."

WHY would you do that to your fellow transgender people?

I have seen TRAs defend this - I now live as a woman, I need women's services, therefore I want to be counted as a woman. It won't hurt me if I am counted as a woman rather than a trans woman, because trans women are women.

Same old same old, but with no awareness of the importance of accurate data.

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