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Alba

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howard97A · 28/03/2021 12:26

"Alba … appears to be a home for those who fear that gender self-identification for trans people poses a threat to women's rights."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56555096

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HeadNorth · 31/03/2021 17:59

Tasmina was also active in the Conservative and Labour parties before settling on SNP as the party most likely to further her personal ambitions. She was our MP for a while and appears to be in politics for what she can get out of it, without values or scruples. A good fit for the sex pest party.

Maduixa · 31/03/2021 18:37

Here's the full set of Alba candidates for Holyrood 2021 by region/ranked list, in case anyone's curious and didn't want to go digging:

Central Scotland: Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, Cllr Lynne Anderson, Dr Jim Walker, Margaret Lynch.
Glasgow: Cllr Michelle Fearns, Ailsa Gray, Cllr Shahid Farooq, Lynn McMahon.
Highlands and Islands: Kirk Torrance, Craig Berry, Josh Robertson, Judith Reid.
Lothian: Kenny MacAskillMP, Alex Arthur, Christina Hendry, Irshad Ahmed.
Mid Scotland and Fife: Eva Comrie, Neale HanveyMP, Jim Eadie, Stephanie Reilly.
North East Scotland: Alex Salmond, Heather McLean, Cllr Brian Topping, Dot Jessiman.
South Scotland: Cynthia Guthrie, Corri Wilson, Suzanne Blackley, Laurie Flynn.
West Scotland: Cllr Chris McEleny, CllrCaroline McAllister, Cllr Ellen McMaster, Delia Henry.

www.albaparty.org/introducing_our_candidates

ArabellaScott · 31/03/2021 18:43

Women quite well represented, at a quick glance.

OhBuggerandArse · 31/03/2021 19:07

@ArabellaScott

Women quite well represented, at a quick glance.
Lots of very GC ones, too. Will be interesting to see what they c one up with in terms of policy. And how much abuse they get for it from the young crowd.
MissBarbary · 31/03/2021 19:08

@HeadNorth

Tasmina was also active in the Conservative and Labour parties before settling on SNP as the party most likely to further her personal ambitions. She was our MP for a while and appears to be in politics for what she can get out of it, without values or scruples. A good fit for the sex pest party.
To be clear as well as being fined she was struck off as a solicitor.
OhBuggerandArse · 31/03/2021 19:11

To be clear as well as being fined she was struck off as a solicitor.

I don't think that is true: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46881007

aliasundercover · 31/03/2021 19:33

I'm starting to think MissBarbary doesn't like this new party.

MissBarbary · 31/03/2021 20:25

@aliasundercover

I'm starting to think MissBarbary doesn't like this new party.
Have a look at the qaulity of its candidates and supporters.
MissBarbary · 31/03/2021 20:29

[quote OhBuggerandArse]To be clear as well as being fined she was struck off as a solicitor.

I don't think that is true: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46881007[/quote]
Sorry you are correct. She was censured. She no longer practices.

The Law Society said they had shown “disregard for the rules” after theyfailed to maintain proper accounts of the trust, established in May 2012, and that sums were borrowed from the fund to help their ailing firm

She was borrowing from a trust fund set up to support a client to prop up her failing business. Lovely- but the important question is - is she gender critical?

feellikeanalien · 31/03/2021 20:53

Is this the same Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh who worked with Alex Salmond on his RT programme?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 31/03/2021 21:03

I suppose, that maybe, if you want a political party that knows what a woman is you might want to go with the group with dodgy creepy geezers.

This is going to be a very interesting election.

BlackForestCake · 31/03/2021 22:18

Miss Barbary wouldn't like an indy supporting party even if it were led by Jesus and His apostles.

ArabellaScott · 31/03/2021 22:23

@feellikeanalien

Is this the same Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh who worked with Alex Salmond on his RT programme?
Yes.
ArabellaScott · 31/03/2021 22:23

This is going to be a very interesting election.

Interesting times, vivarium!

HeadNorth · 01/04/2021 08:25

Looking at the quality of candidates and supporters a wee refrain from Fishermen's Friends comes into my head:
'Come all you no hopers, you jokers and rogues
We're on the road to nowhere, let's find out where it goes' Grin

You cheat and lie to your consituents and are already onto your 4th politcal party - no problem - come on in.....

MissBarbary · 01/04/2021 08:54

@BlackForestCake

Miss Barbary wouldn't like an indy supporting party even if it were led by Jesus and His apostles.
Of course I would not support a separatist party , what a silly comment. But candidates like Tasmina Al- Sheik? The racist and possibly homophobic boxer? The supposed economic guru publicly calling Sturgeon a "cow"?

And some of you are celebrating Alba as a good thing?

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2021 08:58

To be perfectly honest I can't really work out how you can effectively do tactical voting with this mad voting system, but my sense is that the list vote is where you put your protest vote.

Or maybe its the other way round - you protest vote with your first and then use the 2nd for your actual choice?

Oh, actually we have a modified D'Hondt. Who knew?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additional_member_system

'In the first election for Scotland's new Parliament, the majority of voters surveyed misunderstood some key aspects of the difference there between the "first" (constituency) vote and the "second" (regional list) vote; indeed in some ways the understanding worsened in the second election. '

Great! Keep 'em confused, keep 'em guessing, eh?!

malloo · 01/04/2021 16:30

I've no idea how to vote. From a feminist point of view SNP, Greens and Lib Dems are out. Not sure about Labour, the good female MPs who have been speaking out for women's rights are all standing down I think so are Labour a lost cause? As for Alba, not sure I can stomach voting for Salmond and his dubious cronies and in any case I'm still on the fence about Indy. Conservatives are more sensible on sex based rights but given they're not interested in addressing inequality or funding public services it's hardly going to be a feminist vote.

MissBarbary · 01/04/2021 16:47

I can't work out the tactical voting either. I got it completely wrong last time round and voted Lib Dem first and Conservative second. My constituency is Lib Dem for Westminster but Conservative for Holyrood so it should have been the other way round to maximise the anti- SNP element (I think)

It's Conservative for first vote but any of Con, Lib or Lab for the second - if I could work out which is the best option.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2021 22:39

Yes, it's counter intuitive sometimes. It seemed that voting for the party you want can somehow actually be detrimental to them. If anyone has guidance on how to do it, I'd appreciate it ...

NecessaryScene1 · 02/04/2021 07:34

@ArabellaScott

Yes, it's counter intuitive sometimes. It seemed that voting for the party you want can somehow actually be detrimental to them. If anyone has guidance on how to do it, I'd appreciate it ...
Don't over-think it. It's a fallacy to think that all electoral systems are as susceptible to tactical voting or unwanted outcomes as FPTP. This one's fine except for the closed lists.

(Aside, I see the Woke/SNP have been at that Wiki page linked above:

With closed lists, party-list candidates may become puppets for the party leadership, or may add diversity to the party's elected members.

They're diverse puppets. Grin )

This is two votes. First constituency one is plain FPTP, with the familiar problems. Vote for minor parties can be wasted.

Second one is regional list-based proportional, but seats already obtained through FPTP are taken into account. (Actual votes in constituency FPTP, including wasted ones don't matter)

As an individual, your 2 votes can't really interfere, or it's spectacularly unlikely. Attempts to be "tactical" across the pair could backfire just as much as not doing so. Just think of it as two independent votes.

For FPTP constituency, you may want to vote tactically and think about split votes. For list regions, it's proportional, you can pretty much always just vote for your favourite.

If your single issue is independence, it's SNP in the constituency, and Alba in the region. You just want to maximise pro-Indy MPs. Assuming the SNP get more than their fair share of seats due to FPTP in the constituencies, as before, the list PR calculations will balance the parliament against them, giving list seats to any other party more easily. A regional vote for Alba is more likely to secure an extra pro-Indy seat than a vote for SNP - an SNP regional vote is likely to be wasted.

(And if this is "gaming" the system, it's the SNP who have gamed it by getting more than their fair share in FPTP. Their excess cannot be fairly deducted from Alba's share any more than it could be from the Greens).

If your single issue is anti-independence, then it's probably Labour in the constituency , and then whichever Unionist party you prefer in the region.

If your single issue is minimising Woke anti-women parties, I think it's Conservatives in the constituency and Alba in the region.

I guess most of the constituency seats are so secure SNP/Labour there's little chance of the Conservatives actually winning them, but politicians do (eventually) have to pay attention to decreased majorities.

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2021 08:02

Thank you Necessary that is extremely helpful! I think I have it now. Smile

NecessaryScene1 · 02/04/2021 08:20

No problem. Conceivably for pro-women you might want to tactically vote for Labour in the consituency if you thought they had a chance of displacing an SNP person, and the Labour candidate was less super-Woke. Lesser of two evils. Definitely worth looking at the individual candidate positions on this issue.

(However given the list balance system, the SNP losing a constituency seat might mean another even-more-Woke SNP person getting a list seat - just swapping SNPLabour across the two seats, or maybe the SNP might take a list seat that Alba would have got. But I don't think it's worth worrying about that. Just look at the constituency FPTP in isolation; potential knock-on list effects are unpredictable.)

Igneococcus · 02/04/2021 08:38

A poll by Survation suggests there isn't much support for Alba, might be a bit early to really tell:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/064679b0-9336-11eb-930d-e9e6e3751f8f?shareToken=74e1d2603eb5136960aabda04ece4aa0

BlackForestCake · 02/04/2021 08:55

That's within the margin of error, it could be nothing or it could be twice as much.