GC and the extreme right etc etc

[lionheart]

In case you were wondering ...

transsafety.network/posts/gcs-and-the-right/

'In an unfortunate development, in the last few months we have seen a rapid increase in the rate at which practical crossovers are happening between so-called "Gender Critical" feminist groups (which seek to abolish transition healthcare and trans civil rights) and the traditional far right.'

What I don't understand is why they are presenting "evidence" to us.

It's like walking into an Aldi in Liverpool and shouting at everyone that you know they are are all actually members of the East Anglian Hawley Hoofers Morris Dancing Club.

They'll just look at you and go, um, no.

Passersby won't even notice them in Aldi.

And on they go, ranting about how they know you have bought chocolates wrapped with ribbons because they've seen the Aldi delivery truck and it had boxes of chocs so obviously you must be buying them and Morris Dancers use ribbons. Here is a picture of Morris Dancers with ribbons as evidence. They know some of you like jingly bells too. Gotcha!!!!

And we all go

I really haven't. You are starting to sound a bit overwrought, as if you somehow own the whole conversation on this thread and have to manage every else's thoughts. That's not possible or particularly healthy.

I think this is often a problem when one poster takes over a thread and/or everyone responds to them. The poster, especially if they feel they are being piled on, takes everything as addressed personally to them, even general points.

Please note this is a general point, not a comment on this individual pp.

Can someone please tell me why when you choose a chambers or a barrister, you would assume your barrister’s alleged beliefs based on cases they had argued vs their competence and knowledge around that section of law?

Yes, I was going to mention that. Jason Coppel QC represented awful hate source (sarcasm) FPFW v ONS (and won) in the morning last week and then the College of Policing against Harry Miller in the afternoon.

Goodness is he an unconscionable transphobe or an ally? Dilemma!

This is an excellent essay on how the left have made it impossible to discuss the issue and abandoning working class women in the process rdln.wordpress.com/2019/11/13/class-identity-politics-and-transgender-ideology/

@Justhadathought

However, I think you may well be right: there is no point posting things that are in favour of trans rights on a forum this hostile

It was inevitable that you would be subject to robust disagreement. I'm not sure what else could have been expected?

Nobody here is against basic human rights for anyone.

The problem we have, and the crux of this intense disagreement, is due to the ideological nature of the trans rights movement. It is like no other civil rights movement ever, in that it seeks not just to obtain equal rights, but to up-end the understanding of biological reality and sex; and re-invent that world in order that it be compelled to reflect an individual's feelings or desires back to them.

It really is a kind of apotheosis. An end point of post-modernism.

This.

On the point of no one here being against human rights for anyone, @bigotryisbad, I know the discussion has moved on but did you see my last post? I'm anxious to know whether repealing the GRA would infringe trans people's human rights, as you asserted, and if so which ones.

She's not harmed anyone or put anyone at risk.

This was written about Caster Semenya. The case about CS‘s difference in sex development disorder is an outlier case for sure. However, I believe, it used to be standard apparently in Sharron Davies time of competing to test for sex. This was dropped. I imagine that if it had continued, this situation would not have eventuated.

What harm has it caused? It has caused harm to every female competing against someone who has had the benefit of a male puberty. Women who should have had the financial sponsorship and recognition of their success as females without a puberty advantage.

That this coming Olympics will be the first where transwomen do not have to have surgery has been ignored by this same poster. So, no. The ‘lack’ of Olympic success is because it is yet to be tested.

I think you will find there is now ample evidence (can I suggest you look at J Harper’s latest review ) to suggest that the Olympics committees will be reviewing their policies again in the future.

So, will bigotry be stating this will be unacceptable when the committees start to revert back to female people with no advantages past or present from testosterone will be only eligible to compete?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Can someone please tell me why when you choose a chambers or a barrister, you would assume your barrister’s alleged beliefs based on cases they had argued vs their competence and knowledge around that section of law?

Yes, I was going to mention that. Jason Coppel QC represented awful hate source (sarcasm) FPFW v ONS (and won) in the morning last week and then the College of Policing against Harry Miller in the afternoon.

Goodness is he an unconscionable transphobe or an ally? Dilemma!

I only wish we went back to journalists who would report on the facts and leave the emotive analysis out as well, unless they are writing an opinion piece. That more opinion and less factual reporting is the norm has not helped I feel.

But yes.... I feel it is false to use previous cases of Barrister’s as an insight into their opinion. It is over reaching in my opinion.

And then there is of course this gem:

But yes, misogyny only comes from 'the far right'

Note the Antifa flag. In an astounding development, one of these charmers was later exposed as violent towards women.

MNHQ get about two reports per post when it gets really bad on a thread and there are entire threads where the only thing I do is report blatant transphobia and I don't post at all.

Wow, that's difficult to believe.

And goes some way to explain the mindset of a person who obsessively reads posts they disagree with.

Seriously bigotry, and this isn't even sarcasm, take a break, go outside.

I am going to ask again.

Is Sam Brinton, who is featured on the Heritage Foundation website, an evangelical extremist by association?
www.heritage.org/nuclear-energy/commentary/liberty-justice-all-conversation-sam-brinton-deep-isolation-and-the

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Can someone please tell me why when you choose a chambers or a barrister, you would assume your barrister’s alleged beliefs based on cases they had argued vs their competence and knowledge around that section of law?

Yes, I was going to mention that. Jason Coppel QC represented awful hate source (sarcasm) FPFW v ONS (and won) in the morning last week and then the College of Policing against Harry Miller in the afternoon.

Goodness is he an unconscionable transphobe or an ally? Dilemma!

Absolutely, I was unaware that the cases Barristers defended or prosecuted could only be in line with their beliefs or opinion and that you could immediately know exactly what a Barrister's beliefs, political stance and opinions were from the cases they took on. Amazing, truly amazing (sarcasm).

Bit off current topic, but thought it was worth providing the link requested above.

It's not off topic at all. We were challenged as a gotcha to post something from a left wing MRA. Listen to how this arsehole speaks about a teenage girl standing up for her sex based rights. "Left wing MRA" is an appropriate description of him and his YouTube channel.

Video is quite shocking, but I suggest watching it if anyone wants to get an idea of how much men like him hate us, and the contempt they have for female people in general.

Note the Antifa flag. Someone will be along in a minute to tell you Eresh that they can't see the Antifa flag and even if they could see it it definitely isn't an Antifa flag and even it is an Antifa flag that doesn't mean anything and it's perfectly reasonable to hear their side of the story.....

Wow that overfed manbaby in that video is pathetic. I was waiting for his mum to come in the room with his clean underpants in a nice pile. Will he manage to live independently ever or is he simply going to sit there ranting till he's 50.

That video! Good grief. It's like a disease.

Some men really hate women don't they.

@Justhadathought

I've noticed a lot of this lately in different discussions where there are attempts to link it to some pretty widely different ideas, like covid conspiracy theories. And in a very circuitous way, and including similar claims about connections to unacceptable ideas - that these people share some idea (say about vaccines) therefor they are in bed on these other ideas (about Jewish conspiracies)

It is certainly a tool of repression which is widely, and reflexively, used; and it does seem to bring many back into line. Trying to shame people by supposed associations. It really does have all the hallmarks of totalitarianism.

What I am finding interesting is that it seems to be changing as old associations lose their power.

For a while it was association with groups that were supposed to be (or were) homophobic, but that stopped working.

Then when BLM was in the news a lot it was racism, but that is no longer working so well.

Now it seems to be anti-Semitism, but often the association made is that the individuals are specifically involved in crackpot anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. This seemed to become big just as people were becoming very worried about conspiracy theories around covid.

I thought barristers were limited in terms of the circumstanced when they are allowed to refuse a case? Not liking the cause isn't one of the limits, IIRC.

"The cab rank rule is set out at rC29 of the Bar Standards Board Handbook. It states that if the barrister receives instructions from a professional client and the instructions are appropriate taking into account their experience, seniority and/or field of practice, they must (subject to the exceptions in rC30) accept those instructions irrespective of:
1 The identity of the client;
2 The nature of the case to which the instructions relate;
3 Whether the client is paying privately or is publicly funded; and
4 Any belief or opinion which you may have formed as to the character, reputation, cause, conduct, guilt or innocence of the client.[1]
Without the cab-rank rule, an unpopular person might not get legal representation; barristers who acted for them might be criticised for doing so."

That's what I thought TheRabbit.

God almighty @Ereshkigalangcleg that video. What happens to men like him as they get older? I can only hope he's into the MGTOY bit of the Incel universe so that he interacts with women as little as possible.

MNHQ get about two reports per post when it gets really bad on a thread
I'm sorry you've not come back to the thread bigotry because I'm really curious as to how you know this?

It seems to be a reference to reporting numbers and patterns generally on this board, not to your own history. (You talk about that separately in the same post.)

I've never seen MNHQ disclose that kind of figure or seen it discussed on here.

I’m also interested in the answer to that question. There are a few possible explanations - either it’s made up and bigotry doesn’t actually know, there is communication and coordination between some people to achieve those two reports, or MNHQ are sharing that info. I think I’ve listed them in order of likelihood, with the first being the most likely.

I don’t know sophocles. I am thinking that number two is a goer, as well.

Number three. Not so much.

@Helleofabore

I don’t know sophocles. I am thinking that number two is a goer, as well.

Number three. Not so much.

I agree