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FPFW: ONS concede defeat!

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PandorasMailbox · 17/03/2021 07:09

"We did it. We won. ONS have conceded defeat and will pay our legal costs.The High Court has now sealed the court order that sex in census cannot be self-identified.

Please share the news!"

fairplayforwomen.com/fair-play-for-women-wins-high-court-challenge-against-ons-census/?fbclid=IwAR0tJbErXe1wtBvuwZeNfyqs71OGlGvXQIoERD5FeBGyzoWmCz7DpkbXlT0

Fantastic news Smile

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/03/2021 08:26

Well done - that's one giant leap for WOMEN!

Floisme · 17/03/2021 08:26

Thank you so much FPFW.

And how embarrassing for ONS and whoever advised them - I assume I can guess who it was?

ISaySteadyOn · 17/03/2021 08:27

Oh, that's wonderful news.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/03/2021 08:27

Dirty haven’t read the thread - but dies this mean an internal investigation (and relevant staff arse kicking)?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/03/2021 08:27

That's great news to wake up to, and fantastic that costs were awarded!

Hopefully this may herald the beginning of the great unravelling...

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 17/03/2021 08:28

Great news

Ive no idea what ONS were thinking

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 17/03/2021 08:29

Yay! Excellent news to start the day! Well done FPFW, and thanks for persevering. This was important. It would have been another big step towards erasure of women as a sex class.

Shedbuilder · 17/03/2021 08:31

This is great news, FPFW. So now we have it confirmed in law — sex is biological and cannot be identified out of. Which leaves the GRA looking like the legal fiction that we all know it is.

Has anyone done an FOI to try and find out who it was who encouraged the ONS to adopt this policy? Was Stonewall behind it?

jellyfrizz · 17/03/2021 08:32

YES!!! Well done and thank you for you hard work and perseverance.

KitchenFairy · 17/03/2021 08:35

This is brilliant.

I’d have loved to be a fly on the wall during the ONS conversations with their legal team, to hear what finally persuaded them to admit defeat.

Well done FPFW!!

I wonder what they will do about our donations, I’m happy for them to keep mine, but I’d also maybe like half of it back if that’s an option, to donate to another cause.

littlbrowndog · 17/03/2021 08:38

Well done the team

I can’t imagine how hard they had to work in such a short time. 💐💐💐💐

Leafstamp · 17/03/2021 08:38

This is such good news and to answer @toffeebutterpopcorn. I really hope some arses are being kicked!

At the very least I hope they have their tail between their legs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 08:39

Fantastic news! Well done FPFW Thanks

AfternoonToffee · 17/03/2021 08:39

Fantastic news. As already said this is a win for trans rights as well as it means services can accurately be planned.

Xanthangum · 17/03/2021 08:40

Let's not forget that the Minister for the Cabinet Office, that is, Michael Gove is listed on the ruling as an interested party.

Statement likely to be forthcoming soon?

FPFW: ONS concede defeat!
GonadTheGaul · 17/03/2021 08:41

@Shedbuilder

This is great news, FPFW. So now we have it confirmed in law — sex is biological and cannot be identified out of. Which leaves the GRA looking like the legal fiction that we all know it is.

Has anyone done an FOI to try and find out who it was who encouraged the ONS to adopt this policy? Was Stonewall behind it?

Great work by FPFW!

This report written by Jane Clare Jones has some illuminating information in it about the development of the census question on sex and the guidance on answering it thepoliticalerasureofsex.org/

littlbrowndog · 17/03/2021 08:41

Yes Michael gove noting this as well

highame · 17/03/2021 08:42

Will there be a judgement? I thought this hadn't gone to full JR (that would have been Thursday). Have the ONS backed down because they don't want a full JR? Whatever, it does mean that these organisations are going to have to look very carefully at unreliable advice giving way to unsafe actions

NecessaryScene1 · 17/03/2021 08:43

I wonder what they will do about our donations, I’m happy for them to keep mine, but I’d also maybe like half of it back if that’s an option, to donate to another cause.

The crowdfunder said:

If any funds are left over after the legal action they will be used for other Fair Play For Women campaigns.

I think it's safe to say that FPFW campaigns are quite good value for money, so that's fine by me.

littlbrowndog · 17/03/2021 08:43

From nic

The minister for the Cabinet office (Michael Gove) sent a QC from the Government Legal Department (GLD) to attend the hearing on his behalf. The GLD also defended the ONS in court using its top QC, First Treasury Counsel. They brought the big guns out to defend this case /13

DialSquare · 17/03/2021 08:43

Absolutely fantastic. Well done FPFW. I'm happy for them to do whatever they see fit with my donations in the knowledge it will go to a worthy cause. So chuffed.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/03/2021 08:44

Great news.

Now the Peers can start to ask some hard questions about how the ONS ever got into this mess. Maybe the National Audit Office too.

I bet Sir James Eadie QC is relieved. Wink. I don’t know how he kept a straight face in the interim hearing given the tosh he had to argue.

NecessaryScene1 · 17/03/2021 08:44

I thought this hadn't gone to full JR (that would have been Thursday).

It hadn't, but they're accepting the interim ruling, so that is now made the final judgment of the JR.

334bu · 17/03/2021 08:45

Will the National Records of Scotland have to take this on board? Given their draft guidance on Sex and Gender data they have apparently been totally stonewalled. Can we expect to have to go to the courts up here before next year's census?

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