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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Should misogyny be gender neutral

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Imnobody4 · 13/03/2021 15:35

Disturbing post about the Domestic Violence Bill going through the HoLs on Monday
sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/stonewalling-the-domestic-violence-bill-why-make-misogyny-gender-neutral/

An amendment to include misogyny as a hate crime is proposed. This is what Stella Creasey was consulting with Stonewall about.

The campaign to make misogyny a hate crime returns to the House of Lords next week as parliamentarians seek to ensure all police forces record the violence and harassment women face.

But the amendment doesn’t mention women at all, justpersons who “are of a particular sex or gender”

It doesn’t talk about counting crimes against women, but about crimes where sex-or-gender based hostility or prejudice is perceived by the victim or any other person. And it says the secretary of State must issue guidance “based on sex or gender” (remember, the guidance is the only place where the predominance of male perpetrators and female victims will be addressed).

Rather than telling the police to track crimes against women — or indeed male violence against women and their children– (which ought to be simple enough if you have a clear definition and a reliable data field for the sex of victims and perpetratrors) it instead makes misogyny “gender neutral” and perception based, and adds “and gender” wherever sex is mentioned.

What is the point of an amendment on misogyny that doesn’t mention women?

Why have Lord Cashman and Baroness Brinton put themselves down to speak on Monday?

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Socrates11 · 15/03/2021 10:17

Misogyny has been ably defined in this thread, a hatred of women based on their sex. Gender has nothing to do with definitions of misogyny in law. The GenderWooWoo cult need to bog off big time and stop taking us back to pre-Enlightenment times.

Socrates11 · 15/03/2021 10:18

As the very erudite Barracker says we need a new Sex Discrimination Act to end this bloody nonsense.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 15/03/2021 10:41

This is the debate in the HoL today

www.parliament.uk/business/news/2021/january/lords-debates-domestic-abuse-bill2/

AdHominemNonSequitur · 15/03/2021 10:41

2pm

Olderstyle1 · 15/03/2021 11:02

They have been trying to redefine 'woman/female' to include men/males for years. The elision of 'sex' and 'gender' does that through the back door.

We are in a total DARVO situation: misogyny has resulted in Scotland not including 'misogyny' in their Hate Crime Act; misogyny in England & Wales has led to a last-minute push to include 'misogyny' in the DV bill.

The reach and influence of Stonewall is genuinely terrifying.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 15/03/2021 11:12

Is there anything that we can do? I think SexMatters was talking about tweeting, but is there anything else?

Imnobody4 · 15/03/2021 11:23

To be honest even if it passes in the HoLs I dont think the gov will agree to it. We've just had a Law Commission consultation on Hate Crimes and including misogyny specifically. I responded to that at at every available opportunity said sex and gender should never be conflated - sex is clear, gender a contested ambiguous concept. They were also proposing sex or gender.
I see this a way of subverting the results of that consultation which haven't been published yet and trying to strong arm the gov into giving them what they want.
I hope there are a number of Lords who will call them out.

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AngelicInnocent · 15/03/2021 13:18

Does anyone know if there will be any live reporting of this debate?

Cwenthryth · 16/03/2021 07:42

So it seems the amendment wasn’t tabled last night after all due to tech issues.

Anyone know how to find out when it will be tabled?

Biscuitsanddoombar · 16/03/2021 08:11

Joan Smith author of “misogynies” trying to get Stella Creasey to explain why gender has been included alongside sex

You’ll be unsurprised to know that she can’t explain and just keeps repeating g how good it is to have sex included whilst hand waving away everyone’s concerns

twitter.com/polblonde/status/1371366685027008513?s=21

Imnobody4 · 16/03/2021 13:17

Possibly Wed.

twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1371568822566711303?s=19

Stella Creasey is such a disappointment.

I'm pleased the tracking of stalkers a nd domestic abusers went through.

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 16/03/2021 17:20

Oh bloody hell. I've just had an email from Refuge about violence against women, which is rooted in gender inequality .... In the recent days there has been an outpouring of women sharing their experiences of abuse and people raising their concerns of gender-based violence. ... Alongside you, there are tens of thousands of us who stand against all forms of gender-based violence and abuse.

It's SEX-based ffs!!!!!! Attackers don't give a toss what gender we identify as. They attack us because of the SEX we are.

When even a domestic-violence charity can't work out what women are, what hope have we got of politicians?

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