What happened to the Eddie I Guardian thread?

[LarryUnderwood]

I was looking for the details of where to complain to the guardian about their headings and positioning for this, but the thread has gone poof!

Agree with so much if this, the juxtaposition of this is nauseating.

Badly done Guardian. Badly done

but the thread has become a series of personal attacks on an individual rather than criticism of an editorial decision

Hang on, there are constant personal attacks on politicians, members of the royal family, celebrities etc. on mumsnet, some quite vicious.
Why is Eddie Izzard exempt?

I complained. Will publish the response here if I get one.

@Floisme

It's a funny old world when an aspiring politician can talk openly about their 'boob envy', when a professional journalist feels no compulsion to explore further, when a 'quality' newspaper can print without comment but, if I want to talk about it, I have to choose my words with the care of a precision engineer.

Absolutely.

I loathe The Guardian's soft-soap, long-term, pernicious misogyny.

Yes, Andante, what could it possibly be about Eddie’s situation that makes Eddie Teflon... it’s a tough nut to crack, that’s for sure.

I'll repost this excellent twitter thread about the Guardian's front page
twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1370327150767792130?s=19

Self expression is sacrosanct... from that Twitter thread.

But only for some women. Not others. They may look one amorphous group by gender, but you can divide what is accepted, indulged or even permitted from them simply by classing them by sex.

There in a nutshell: why women need sex based rights. And the evidence yet again, that TWAW is meaningless because even those saying it most loudly would never treat TW with the contempt and stern standards and total lack of tolerance that is the daily lot of the W. The sex class division never changes.

two blokes talking about tits is not news

Thanks listening. There's something not quite right about the juxtaposition of headlines/images/stories on the front page of this ("progressive") national newspaper and the headline inside referencing women's body parts makes it even worse.

while I doubt you had control of the placement, the front page looks like deliberate transphobia

mobile.twitter.com/DadTrans/status/1370424383639011333

I'm so angry about this from the Guardian (we have already cancelled our subscription) - there's no way this juxtaposition can have been accidental. How fucking dare they.

And me and my sexeh boobies have just got home from an excruciatingly painful post breast cancer treatment mammogram, how envious making.

Based on a search of the site The Guardian doesn't appear to be covered by IPSO - is that correct?

If Eddie is a She, why this ?
www.imdb.com/title/tt5114840/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_3
Playing a character called Thomas Miller
opposite Judi Dench

How come Eddiegets to be a man in the Cinema
but a Woman in the Guardian
cake and eat it too

There are some completely arbitrary moderation rules in operation on. this site. If you want to call certain members of the Royal Family racist Nazis, or call a woman and her husband who left the royal family uppity upstart, money grabbing, thicko, illigitimate, etc then that's ok. If you want to criticise the plastic surgeons who sell lies to young girls, or criticise a person who has happily claimed to be a man for most of their career, and still wants to be one when it suits them (as in the male they play in their up coming film), then that's a personal attack apparently.

The Guardian internal process for complaining is about as clear as mud. What a shock. Based on the paragraph below I'm not sure they'll take notice of any complaints.

www.theguardian.com/info/2014/sep/12/-sp-how-to-make-a-complaint-about-guardian-or-observer-content

What the readers’ editor won’t look at
The readers’ editor won’t look at complaints that fall outside of the Guardian News & Media Editorial Code (see above).

The readers’ editor office was created to resolve substantial complaints and queries from individuals who feel we’ve breached the Guardian’s editorial standards. As such, the readers’ editor’s time, effort and resources will be focused on such complaints, and she reserves the right not to consider complaints:

From anyone not personally and directly affected by the matter which forms the subject of the complaint.

That are trivial, hypothetical or otherwise vexatious or insignificant.

That are without justification (such as an attempt to argue a point of view or to lobby).

About advertising (unless in exceptional circumstances).

About Guardian reader offers.

That are legal complaints.

zanahoria
Love the fact that the Guardian is being trashed for being 'transphobic'
#turnonyourownside #nothingiseverenough

Bizarrely the article about being in girl mode was all about promoting a film as a man. So much cake.

@persistentwoman

zanahoria Love the fact that the Guardian is being trashed for being 'transphobic' #turnonyourownside #nothingiseverenough

I believe it's called co-opting the narrative. They know it looks dreadful so want the main talking point to be 'transphobia' rather than the horrendous misogyny it clearly is.

I read that Eddie Izzard has “boob envy”. Clearly he has never had a pubescent girl afraid and overwhelmed by the attention “boobs” attract when they first appear

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/case-sarah-everard-has-fuelled-rage-should-keep-red-hot/

she always hits the nail on the head

I will repeat something I said on the previous thread, or something similar.

When there is discussion about something such as ‘boob envy’ by someone who is male I have to wonder whether they really understand women’s experience of having breast or whether it is framed in their minds as some fantasy or stereotypical view of breasts. I referred to my experience of mastitis, the excruciating pain, the fever and the emotional rollercoaster. I am assuming that this is not the experience that a man who says he wishes to have breast is what he is referring to.

Additionally, I wonder if a man can really understand the humiliation and shame girls and women experience when they are touched on the breasts without consent. This begins very early on, it started for me when I was in primary school. It’s not sexual, it’s not part of growing up it’s just horrible.

So when someone says something about ‘boob envy’ I feel deeply offended. Additionally I feel like I’m being forced to partake in someone’s fantasy or desires without consent.

But ultimately, ignoring all of this.

They put a headline about ‘boob envy’ above pictures of murdered women.

Utterly heartbreaking.

@OhDear2200

But ultimately, ignoring all of this.

They put a headline about ‘boob envy’ above pictures of murdered women.

Utterly heartbreaking.

"I've been promoted to she. It's an honour" is the quote above the photographs of women killed by men. The reducing women to boobs comment is inside. I wonder if they see the connection? I wonder also if they see that the women in the images couldn't opt out of being female like EI can for his next movie role.

@Andante57

but the thread has become a series of personal attacks on an individual rather than criticism of an editorial decision

Hang on, there are constant personal attacks on politicians, members of the royal family, celebrities etc. on mumsnet, some quite vicious.
Why is Eddie Izzard exempt?

This is the bit I don’t get

Ok im lying...I understand perfectly

@TheRabbitOfCaerbannog sorry you are right, my mistake.