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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Cognitive Dissonance of Owen Jones

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SunsetBeetch · 11/03/2021 20:51

I just...

URRRRGH!

"Solidarity with all women sharing their experiences of living under the constant threat of male harassment and male violence.

What they’re all underlining is how the conversation shouldn’t be about how women can keep themselves safe but how men can be stopped from being a danger"

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The Cognitive Dissonance of Owen Jones
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PurpleHoodie · 12/03/2021 07:23

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown

He does raise an important question to be fair: How do we stop Owen Jones from being a danger to women?

Perfect.

RoyalCorgi · 12/03/2021 07:35

I couldn't see the tweet from Homunculus because she has protected her account. I could see some of the responses to OJ's and, guess what, there are people on there going on about terrible TERFs and how trans women aren't a threat to women. So the usual fuckwits.

teawamutu · 12/03/2021 08:00

@WeeBisom

I honestly don't think this is hypocrisy. I think the belief in self ID is so shallow that unless the concept of 'trans' is activated, then most people talk and behave as if sex is real and that male, yes male, violence is a fact. I had a friend who completely stopped communicating with me because I disagreed that TWAW. I apparently was a 'bigot'. And yet the very next day she was on twitter stating that 'the benefits of lesbian sex is that you can't get pregnant!' It just absolutely did not cross her mind that some women have penises. So as much as I don't like Owen Jones, I don't think he's being a hypocrite here. Rather, his belief in self ID and all that entails is so shallow (a pseudo belief) that it just isn't engaging with his other deeper beliefs like 'women are threatened by male violence, and men are a danger.'
This is a brilliant insight.

And 'the Richard Littlejohn of the left' was equally bang-on.

God I love MN. Keeps me sane.

Lammergeier · 12/03/2021 08:57

Can I just say how sick I am of people here comparing Owen Jones to a weasel? It's really offensive.

Weasels are cute. And brave.

merrymouse · 12/03/2021 08:59

that it just isn't engaging with his other deeper beliefs like 'women are threatened by male violence, and men are a danger.'

I don’t think he believes that women are threatened by male violence or that men are a danger to women.

He just thinks there is a ‘wrong side of history’, and doesn’t want to be on it.

Joisanofthedales · 12/03/2021 09:04

Some great posts here about this detestable hypocrite.

NotBadConsidering · 12/03/2021 09:18

I would genuinely love to sit him down in a room one day and have a proper discussion about it to see if he’s even remotely capable of critical thought on the matter. Obviously, the door would have to be locked due to his propensity for storming off when he doesn’t like the way things are going, but still, would be fascinating.

highame · 12/03/2021 09:22

Oh Joy! Another OJ thread to cheer me up on a rainy morning Grin

PandorasMailbox · 12/03/2021 09:57

@RoyalCorgi

I couldn't see the tweet from Homunculus because she has protected her account. I could see some of the responses to OJ's and, guess what, there are people on there going on about terrible TERFs and how trans women aren't a threat to women. So the usual fuckwits.
Many of the responses to OJ''s tweet were calling him out on his hypocrisy. Anyone trying to derail it with trans nonsense was shut down, which was great to see.

He's part of the problem, but either chooses to ignore it (cognitive dissonance) or hopes we haven't noticed (rank stupidity)

nettie434 · 12/03/2021 10:10

Teawamatu has just saved me typing out a long sentence

Yes to Owen Jones as Richard Littlejohn
Yes to WeeBisom's analysis!

SunsetBeetch · 12/03/2021 15:44

Colm O'Gorman too. I'm sure there's many more.

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7Days · 12/03/2021 15:50

COG would want to be careful he doesnt end up denouncing and silencing himself

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