Conservatives for Women

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Found this, earlier today — the Conservatives for Women website:

conservativesforwomen.org

Their proposals could have been written here on Mumsnet. I'm now, for the first time in my life, having to consider whether instead of just spoiling my ballot I'm going to have to vote Conservative to keep Labour and the Lib Dems out.

We live in a world where a grown man can readily identify as a 6 year old girl. And speaking out against this is seen as prejudiced. What next?

@peak2021

It is a pressure group within the Conservative Party. A party still led by a misogynist, and one whose actions have harmed women greatly at both a political and personal level.

Sorry to disappoint you, but this pressure group has no connection with the Conservative Party - apart from in their imagination.

I wonder how it would be if the 51% just did not vote. Perhaps it would be clearer to see why we are in the state we are in, why men have no idea about women, our lives , our feelings, our priorities.
Nothing about us without us.

If you think the Conservatives will ever do anything "for" women I've got a bridge to sell you.

Ultimately a lot of the issues we have around sex based rights are linked to resources (lack of).

No money for trans refuges/prisons etc? That's fine, shove 'em in with the women and if they complain, call 'em transphobes.

Cheapest way of "addressing" mental health - medicate - exactly what's happening with GIDS. Proper investment would provide proper support for mental health, counselling and long term help. Not chuck some pills at them to make them go away so you can deal with the rest of the waiting list.

And who has shaped the current narrative about femininity and what it means to be a woman that a) leads so many young women to reject it and b) makes so many men "want" it? The media (controlled by a shockingly small number of people with vested interests in supporting the Conservatives and government's like them around the world) and people trying to sell us stuff.

I believe in sex based rights. I also believe that Trans people have become a useful "other" for the right.

"Sorry to disappoint you, but this pressure group has no connection with the Conservative Party - apart from in their imagination."

Imagination is a powerful thing Robin.

However, I can assure you our party membership cards are entirely real as are the channels of communication we have with politicians. We are quite used to slurs and false accusations, even from within our own party; the official LGBT+ Conservative group called us 'disgusting t*rfs'.

It's all water off a duck's back mate. Go well.

@DemolitionBarbie

I would rather walk over the hot coals of hell than vote conservative.

Same. I'm in Liverpool, and nobody in my family has voted anything but Labour since elections began.

I'm voting conservative. I feel no need to cling helplessly to the labour party as they sink, trying to drag women down behind them.

RobinMoiraWhite gosh if you're going to post such accusations, then you should really post your evidence.
Waits.....

I think the Conservatives are currently the best option although I have certainly voted for other parties before. I think most politicians want to make a positive difference to people but they just disagree on how this can best be done. I'm quite impressed by Liz Truss at the moment and wonder if she could be a future PM.

Its an absolute con. The conservatives dont care about women... well maybe about a handful of wealthy white women...
This isn't the way forward.

There is no way I could vote Conservative. Austerity has hit women and children very hard, the cronyism in the leadership is appalling. I am politically homeless right now.

This is a political party who tried to remove statutory maternity pay which would have left me absolutely penniless as someone on a zero hours contract when I fell unexpectedly pregnant...
This is a political party who got in bed with DUP happily
They have closed sure start centres... they have underfunded the NHS so that home birthing teams have been decimated as well as perinatal psychiatric care..
Its a joke. They are using womens fear about trans people in order to get womens votes... they do not give one single solitary shit about the real welfare of women..

Its an absolute con. The conservatives dont care about women... well maybe about a handful of wealthy white women

Labour don't care about women. Women would have nothing, not even the words to describe themselves, if labour were in power. They are firmly of the mantra transwomen are women. Which means that anyone can be a woman, male or female. Which renders the word woman, and the legal protections it offers, meaningless.

Thank you for your work @ConservativesForWomen - my Conservative MP is supportive of women’s rights so there is no question about my vote.

If the other parties can’t even acknowledge my existence as a woman there is no earthly point in my voting for them. They are actually promising to remove women’s rights - how can I do that to my daughters? It would be like being one of the anti-suffragette women.

Universal credit, the lack of social housing....
These are things which really effect the welfare of women. Women are trapped with abusers...
I'd rather skin myself alive than ever vote tory. They try and disguise thier baseline ideals with popular buzz words but this party protects the status quo and the status quo does not protect women it exploits them

Its a joke. They are using womens fear about trans people in order to get womens votes... they do not give one single solitary shit about the real welfare of women..

I don’t understand why people keep blaming the Conservatives for the decisions being made by the other parties? Labour and Lib Dem are being begged by women to protect their rights but have made the decision to ignore them.
How is that the fault of the Tories?

These are things which really effect the welfare of women.

And how's that going to work when there is no clear definition of woman? Every other party has been captured. If we can't describe women, if there's no clear definition in law, then any issues that effect them can't be addressed either.

you are focusing so hard on the trans issue that you are throwing women under the bus everywhere because of it. You've been manipulated into shooting yourself in the foot over this. The tories have never truly held the interests of any group other than white wealthy men at thier heart and they honestly never will...
Dont listen to the spin and the rhetoric, look at what they have actually done over the years and its effect on women...
Look at what happened during the upskirting debate...
Look at the fight for abortion rights
These people do not care about women

Its a joke. They are using womens fear about trans people in order to get womens votes... they do not give one single solitary shit about the real welfare of women..

I have no fears about transwomen. I have fears about changing the word woman to include those who are not women. We can already see it happening across the world, women's shortlists, sports, changing rooms, toilets, prisons, refuges. Companies misinterpreting the equality act and sex based rights in favour of the word gender, which includes biological males and females, thanks to the stonewall capture and misinformation. The fear is not about transwomen as people, the very real concern is that women will have no legal protections or safeguards if woman can mean anyone who feels like one.

@Erkrie

These are things which really effect the welfare of women.

And how's that going to work when there is no clear definition of woman? Every other party has been captured. If we can't describe women, if there's no clear definition in law, then any issues that effect them can't be addressed either.

This.

My political beliefs are aligned with Labour; my allegiance has been destroyed by their misogyny.

If I have to lend the conservatives my vote, to send a message - I will hold my nose and do so. And make sure Labour knows why.

Its easy for the tories to say whatever about trans people because they have no interest in thier vote as a minority group.. they are interested in obtaining cis womens votes and this is an easy way for them to do it.. it doesnt matter to them.. they arent going to actually help women in general terms they are just going to cash in and exploit this fear of trans people..
But please have a look at what they've actually ever done for women? Look at all the rights women have battled for and won over the years and then have a look at these things going thru parliament and have a look at which mps are voting against them...

These people do not care about women

The tories know what a woman is. No other party does.

My political beliefs are aligned with Labour; my allegiance has been destroyed by their misogyny

Same here. Voting for labour as a woman would be like a turkey voting for Christmas. I'm not so entrenched in my beliefs that I will vote for a party that no longer cares about me.

Part of the reason why the right of the tory party wanted to leave the eu was because the eu prevented them from getting rid of statutory maternity pay and things like that...
Yes you might feel that this party will prevent trans women from eing legally categorised as women but what on earth is the point of that if womens rights are stripped back as the price for it?
They do not care about women they just want your vote and this is an easy way to get it.

Labour, the Lib Dem's and the Green Party have all made it abundantly clear that they don't want the votes of people they categorised as bigots. Including anyone who is the slightest bit GC.