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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Observer campaign to tackle femicide.

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merrymouse · 07/03/2021 11:08

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/07/the-observer-view-we-can-no-longer-turn-away-femicide-must-be-tackled-now?CMP=fb_cif

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/07/end-femicide-278-dead-the-hidden-scandal-of-older-women-killed-by-men

Just going to say there are people at the Observer doing some great work.

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Grotbog · 08/03/2021 03:06

I think this is clever wording to promote the charity these women work for. I'm all for protecting women in need but this article really does lay on the fear mongering.

I think it would be a good thing to reduce all murders of any persons, but the claim that any are being silenced just simply isn't true. If a murder is suspected then its investigated regardless of the age of the person and I see no evidence provided that this isn't being done or is being done to a poor standard.

We have a criminal justice system to be proud of, which is one that is benchmarked the world over. Criminals are tried and jailed once found guilty.

No woman should have to suffer murder, but thankfully we're in the minority as its a fate faced predominantly by men.

If care homes aren't included in the figures I can't think why but any murders there by carers are likely to be by women as they make up the vast majority of staff same as with refuges.

I don't understand what the issue is they're highlighting. Of course less femicide would be better and figures over the past decade show its going down, but exactly what they plan anyone does is a mystery that they've missed out.

Taswama · 08/03/2021 07:14

Thank you for sharing this.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 08/03/2021 07:29

If anyone wants to know how these issues are ignored, minimised and dismissed even when signposted and highlighted, they only need to read Grotbog's post above.
Excellent campaign by the Observer. I only wish the Guardian would take a leaf out of their book.

UppityPuppity · 08/03/2021 07:44

If anyone wants to know how these issues are ignored, minimised and dismissed even when signposted and highlighted, they only need to read Grotbog's post above.

Yep - nothing to see here...what are you moaning about...very proud of our criminal justice system which effectively legalises rape due to minuscule conviction rates... figures going down despite figures going up...women only refuges being defunded...walks away with hands in the pocket whistling happily...world back to re-centeting men, including those who commit femicide.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 08/03/2021 11:26

Duplicating from other thread.

I was looking round for more clarity on the previous and current age cap and learned that it will be removed altogether next year.

The age cap applies to the intimate violence module in the CSEW, so domestic abuse against 75+ not currently captured. Until 2017 the age cap was 59. Has been announced it will lift altogether from next year. Not age cap on homicides as data comes from police/homicide index [.] However the headline findings published by ONS do not focus on age and the data tables provided alongside the reports don’t allow for meaningful disaggregation of the data. I cover this here:

academic.oup.com/bjsw/article/49/5/1234/5211414

[Further discussion about age cap]

Well the original jurisdiction was particularly shocking as it was based on an argument that people aged 60+ couldn’t use a computer to complete the survey and even if they could this should be viewed as elder abuse not domestic abuse[.] I talk about this here from page 16 onwards

etheses.dur.ac.uk/11941/1/Full_final_thesis_PDF_version.pdf?DDD34

Above from this thread: twitter.com/Hannah_Bows/status/1368546457108758531

Grotbog · 09/03/2021 04:36

@UppityPuppity

To claim our justice system comes anything close to legalising rape is naive and quite frankly ludicrous. Rape is a difficult crime to convict. That's not the fault of the justice system it's simply the characteristics of the crime itself.

I've never met anyone who wants to see rapists roaming free, quite the opposite, so I feel your anger is definately misplaced.

Rape convictions are much in line with other serious crime stats, it really isn't some national conspiracy. If you really want to go for an under convicted crime then car crime may be a better topic to slate the justice system for.

And as for male centralised anything, I've never seen any evidence of this whatsoever.

CardinalLolzy · 11/03/2021 15:31

Not sure what you mean by "male centralised anything" grotbogs but the book Invisible Women has hundreds of citations of evidence where the male default is harmful.

I'm sure you won't read it, though - after all, it might have some "clever wording" in it.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 18/03/2021 17:02

MNHQ has a post about statistics from Mumsnet that made an appearance on Peston's show:

You'll see they show a graph showing how many Mumsnet users clicked on Talk threads that mention words to do with violence against women. (The search words we used were: sexual harassment|sexual violence|rape|violence against women|sexual assault|domestic violence| - and for the last two weeks, we added the search term 'sarah everard').

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_campaigns/4195391-Mumsnet-stats-on-violence-against-women-featured-on-the-Peston-show-last-night?

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