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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Courage Calls to Courage Everywhere

190 replies

Uhohmummy · 04/03/2021 14:07

As a long time lurker I want to post a positive message of thanks to the amazing women (and men) of FWR who have opened my eyes to so many important issues. The fight for women’s rights can be exhausting and there are so many brick walls but just by talking about these issues you are making a difference. I suspect there are many like me who don’t often post on here but take on board a lot of what is discussed and use it to spread the message in our own lives, educating our children, donating where we can, etc. Please keep going. And thanks.

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littlbrowndog · 04/03/2021 23:35

Keep going all of us. We can do this 💪💪💪

MonochromeMinnie · 04/03/2021 23:37

Well said 💐

Redshoeblueshoe · 04/03/2021 23:42

After today's invasion this thread is fabulous. Lovely to see so many lurkers Flowers

Alicethruthelookingglass · 04/03/2021 23:46

@Toomie

Invasion of the Body Snatchers was a cold war parable about the McCarthy era witchhunts.

So yeah, it's a very pertinent comparison.

Toughie · 04/03/2021 23:55

Been on MN for many many years but don’t post much these days, just read and nod my head in agreement with the wise women of FWR. Hats off to you all, you’re doing a brilliant job.
Also, while Twitter is generally a cesspit, there are some awesome posters over there too like Jane Clare Jones. Wise and fierce and worth following.

VampireTheBuffetSlayer · 05/03/2021 00:03

I also want to say a massive thank you to the posters who are no longer allowed to be on here, I hope you lurk here still, knowing that we couldn’t be where we are without you and that we will carry on your marvellous work. You are missed.

This. I can't remember all of the names but I remember you and the way you reasoned and fought for the rights of women and children. I'm mainly a lurker. I got confident once, posted, got deleted and a warning email. I understand why but I stand by what I said. Now I'm back in the shadows. But I'm still here and I'm still reading. Solidarity.

UltimateIrritant · 05/03/2021 00:07

Thank you from an appreciative but tongue-tied lurker. I have though managed to awake my brother, daughter, best mate and 90year old mother to what is happening and they are all now busy gardening - so thank you again

Sickoffamilydrama · 05/03/2021 00:18

MN particularly the FWR & relationships board has taken the scales away from my eyes on so many things, it's also made me more articulate, assertive and supportive of other women. My Daughter's will benefit forum the wisdom of you all.

Because you quoted Fawcett I thought you might appreciate this "However benevolent men may be in their intentions, they cannot know what women want and what suits the necessities of women's lives as well as women know these things themselves."

Veeta · 05/03/2021 00:20

Just adding my agreement. I’m also mainly a lurker, as I’m sadly lacking the incredible fortitude of so many here. But the courage and eloquence of the regular posters here and those fighting so prominently elsewhere is so inspiring. And less dramatically you are all fabulous (virtual) company and frequently make me laugh out loud. So thank you!!

Alicethruthelookingglass · 05/03/2021 02:32

I also want to say a massive thank you to the posters who are no longer allowed to be on here, I hope you lurk here still, knowing that we couldn’t be where we are without you and that we will carry on your marvellous work. You are missed.

This.
I've been a lurker here for many years. I used to post on other GC boards and blogs. I took a hiatus for school and mental health reasons but came back to try to hook up a friend of mine who needs more information on dealing with a DGD. I soon discovered all the old places were either censored gone or inactive and google would not even show results for certain queries, all I got was links to the woke stuff. I got into this craziness in the first place because I am someone who follows free speech issues and got drift of a certain canadian sex pest that was less mentionable than Voldemort at one time. There are people still banned from the internet over that and it is infuriating.

I'm glad mumsnet is still standing. Some of the names have changed but you are still all as smart and amazing as ever.

Thanks.

ChattyLion · 05/03/2021 04:35

I won't pretend to know a lot about feminism or women's rights, but I do know what a woman is

Same here vimto. I always feel that MN FWR posters have given me a political education and ways to articulate what I have been feeling and I am endlessly grateful to all the awesome posters on here. I was a lurker for ages before I dared post but then I felt like, why can’t I talk about this? It’s important and life’s too short not to. There isn’t any ‘proper’ way or only one way to think about life as a woman. I’ve found it emotionally helpful to post here as this dogma has affected some different parts of my life.

It’s just the latest face of sexism which loads (all?) of us women have been affected by all our lives and we continue to experience in different ways everyfuckingday. It’s just that this current flavour of sexism also actively wants to take away the language and concepts that everyone will needs to use if they are going to be anti-sexist in any practical meaningful way. So that’s a hard no. We all need to have boundaries. Flowers

BettyFilous · 05/03/2021 05:26

This is a lovely thread, a tall glass of iced water on a hot day. It is lovely to see so many new names. For those of you who don’t feel articulate enough to join the fray I’d say that even quoting a post and saying “I agree with this” can boost the morale of our most tenacious shield maidens and it shows the tourists and lurkers that these are not niche views, they have broader support. Our critics like to say FWR is six angry women and their socks*. Lending your voices makes it harder to argue that line. Please don’t be shy. Your voices are important too.

I would also like to acknowledge our fallen, brave women who were banned from MN for speaking truth to power baldly.

  • Sock = sock puppet = user swapping nicknames within a thread to support their own point.
penguinpostcard · 05/03/2021 06:50

Just wanted to say thank you to all you wise, wonderful women.

Fucket · 05/03/2021 06:54

Personally if it wasn’t for the feminism section I wouldn’t really use MN that much. I hardly post on this section because I’m not really as well read, eloquent, or able to avoid all the language pitfalls. So I don’t feel able to contribute in the fight.

The regular posters in feminism section are doing a real public service to women like me. My thanks to every one of you who do battle on a daily basis for women like me, and our daughters.

Bowednotbroken · 05/03/2021 07:05

I too rarely post as I know I am not articulate enough to make much sense, but yesterday I vaguely remembered something - posted a bit of it and Datun (Datun! Fangirl moment!) made a sensible point out of what I said. So worth trying when I can. And thank you to all the wise women who respond to newbies, questions and other posters with patience and wisdom. I'll keep on gardening...

BlueBrush · 05/03/2021 07:56

Yes, I want to add my name to this. Occasional poster, constant lurker. Thank you all, but particularly to the regular posters. I often donate where I can, and write to my MP or whoever, after reading threads on here.

I see all the women posting on this thread and I think of the "well-funded campaigns" that Baroness Barker talked of. I think there really is a large and growing number of us more prepared to stand up for women's rights.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 05/03/2021 08:28

I’ve also had a comment deleted for mentioning the moment when I realised transgenderism was not harmless. The moment when I reached the top of a mountain and saw the dangerous landscape ahead. I now know it was deleted because I used a forbidden (though everyday) word. So I’m writing this to ask Mumsnet to list all forbidden words or phrases in the FWR moderation principles.

This is a reasonable request, because my deleted post was not abusive. Most comments on Mumsnet are reasonable. It’s wrong to delete them because they unwittingly included a forbidden word. And be fair, Mumsnet, we couldn’t have guessed that mountaintop word was forbidden!

TheABC · 05/03/2021 08:42

Another lurker. We are here and we are not going away. I also find the activity around the justice crowdfunders heartening - lots of small donations that soon add up. I just wish they were not needed!

gardenbird48 · 05/03/2021 08:44

what a lovely thread. Mumsnet has allowed us to know that we are not alone in this and I value the opportunity to discuss things - roll on the day when we can have a large gathering irl!

You may or may not have come across some of our more publicly known members - Keira Bell is on here and contributes occasionally. I noticed that now it is spring Keira's garden needs quite a bit more digging in preparation for a lovely display of sunny sunflowers in June.

Flowers Daffodil Flowers Daffodil Flowers

DialSquare · 05/03/2021 09:08

So nice to see so many lurkers on this thread. I lurked for years before posting. I'm not particularly articulate or educated so I try to use my humour when posting instead. As PP have said, all voices are welcome and it helps to dispel the myth that this place is an echo chamber.

alkanet · 05/03/2021 09:22

Hi all, I came here to lurk & learn after the Woman's Hour article. The politicization of mumsnet one. As I'm not a Mum I thought I had no business being on this site and didn't even know there was a feminist board. Really glad I came. I love the long threads that dig down into a subject and the pointers to crowdfunders. Love the plain speaking, wit and humour, the intelligence without jargon, and all the fiesty women who refuse to be quiet. Thank you💐💐💐💐💐

Erkrie · 05/03/2021 09:27

What a fabulous thread. Lovely to see some of the lurkers here.

picklemewalnuts · 05/03/2021 09:57

Wry smile, alkanet at your reference to plain speaking, so soon after thinkingaboutlangcleg said this:

"I’ve also had a comment deleted for mentioning the moment when I realised transgenderism was not harmless. The moment when I reached the top of a mountain and saw the dangerous landscape ahead. I now know it was deleted because I used a forbidden (though everyday) word. "

But yes, I agree! Grin

Eketahuna · 05/03/2021 10:07

Solidarity from a daily lurker in New Zealand!

JoodyBlue · 05/03/2021 10:10

Our critics like to say FWR is six angry women and their socks* Grin . That DID make me laugh. But if that were the case, not sure why the critics would be quite so very riled and het up about said 6 users. Perhaps we might add a few zeros to that figure in reality.