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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Federal Judge Rules Miss United States of America Can Exclude a Transgender Woman From Its Pageants

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stumbledin · 28/02/2021 17:18

Not perhaps a women only event many of us are that interested in, but ...

Thought I would post as I think this decision was after the updated EA in the US was past.

So does that mean in different states, they can take decisions about whether or not legally trans women can be excluded from women only events.

Confusing.

www.wweek.com/news/courts/2021/02/25/federal-judge-rules-miss-united-state-of-america-can-exclude-a-transgender-woman-from-its-pageants/

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FeckTheMagicDragon · 28/02/2021 17:26

This has got me thinking about ‘male gaze’. I wonder how many TWAW men will be internally nodding along to this decision. Personally as it’s a ‘beauty’ contest, let them have it. And leave our single sex spaces alone.

risefromyourgrave · 28/02/2021 17:29

TWAW until we have to judge how pretty they are.

Forgotthebins · 28/02/2021 17:42

Seriously? The prison service is required to include transgender women in women’s prisons, and female sports is not a category worth keeping, we are told - but a fricking beauty pageant can declare it excludes trans women? How much does that tell you about whose comfort and preferences are being indulged? So events involving “biological” women (or however they are saying it) are fine, as long as the purpose is making men’s dicks feel nice. Got it.

stumbledin · 28/02/2021 17:45

That's what I thought but couldn't think of a polite way to say it!

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FeckTheMagicDragon · 28/02/2021 17:45

I’ve just read the Judge is from Portland, Oregon. The wokest of wine cities in the US, so I am surprised!

FeckTheMagicDragon · 28/02/2021 17:46

Wine=woke

UhtredRagnarson · 28/02/2021 17:49

@Forgotthebins

Seriously? The prison service is required to include transgender women in women’s prisons, and female sports is not a category worth keeping, we are told - but a fricking beauty pageant can declare it excludes trans women? How much does that tell you about whose comfort and preferences are being indulged? So events involving “biological” women (or however they are saying it) are fine, as long as the purpose is making men’s dicks feel nice. Got it.
This. Exactly this. And gives us an insight into the question- if TWAW will straight men have sex with them?
FeckTheMagicDragon · 28/02/2021 18:44

It seems many transwomen are attracted to women - hence Lesbians getting pressured to accept ‘lady dick’.

Spiegelx · 28/02/2021 18:45

I’d willingly campaign for beauty pageants to include men.

Thelnebriati · 28/02/2021 18:47

What Forgotthebins said.

BoomBoomsCousin · 28/02/2021 18:59

@FeckTheMagicDragon

I’ve just read the Judge is from Portland, Oregon. The wokest of wine cities in the US, so I am surprised!
He’s a Republican appointed district judge who’s also a Mormon. Being from Oregon is not a guarantee of wokeness!
BoomBoomsCousin · 28/02/2021 19:04

@Forgotthebins

Seriously? The prison service is required to include transgender women in women’s prisons, and female sports is not a category worth keeping, we are told - but a fricking beauty pageant can declare it excludes trans women? How much does that tell you about whose comfort and preferences are being indulged? So events involving “biological” women (or however they are saying it) are fine, as long as the purpose is making men’s dicks feel nice. Got it.
According to the article, the decision pivoted on the Miss USA competition having (in a sense!) an artistic mission. That is the thing that allows, for instance, TV shows and movies to discriminate in hiring.

So I assume the reasoning is that Federal prisons do not have such a mission.

(Not agreeing with this state of affairs, just pointing out what the reasoning and battle lines seem to be in the federal courts).

Zinco · 28/02/2021 19:17

Personally as it’s a ‘beauty’ contest, let them have it. And leave our single sex spaces alone.

But it's still someone else's single sex space including changing rooms.

The principle either matters or it doesn't.

Also, as judicial precedent can cross over to different cases, it's always good to get that kind of decision.

haggistramp · 28/02/2021 19:30

Dont beauty pageants usually have a rule about no plastic surgery anyway? How would tw get around that rule?

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