Kirsty Blackman tweet

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Kirsty Blackman, an SNP MP who has been very critical of Joanna Cherry and GC feminism has put out a tweet demonstrating she has completely misunderstood the two sides of the argument:

"I am a woman, I live as a woman, and I dress however I like... That's why when we hear 'Gender Critical' individuals talking about 'proper women' or 'real women' I am gravely worried"

The comments are amazing.

This is so odd. It's like Kirsty is vociferously arguing TRA points by using GC logic. I can't get my head round it. And she's so 100% sure she's right.

She appears to be telling women that they cannot legitimately say that person is a man. And the same for teenage girls, girl children, presumably? They are not allowed, legitimately, to say that person is male, a man, a boy, unless the person in question agrees. The male in question.

Where the fuck does she think that's going to leave women, girls, female children?

These women. I'll never understand it.

I seriously worry about the calibre of some people who run for public office. Kirsty is far from the only one who ties themselves in knots with mystifying logic.

So, what Blackman is saying is that the ONLY way we know if someone is male or female is either how they are 'presenting' - presumably this is hairstyle, clothing - or them telling you their pronouns? Just wanted to check.

Aha! so if I run the strippers over my head, I've an even chance? How much shorter than DP's hair do you think I need to go to ensure he's the one that grows the child? Given that we share boxers/jeans/t-shirts (in fact, if I'm honest, he wears skinnier jeans than I do)

My comment was deleted. Perhaps too cruel. But there are many elected members who are really not up to the job.
Especially as SNP is run on system of patronage. When one considers how Joanna Cherry is treated, an show other are, well. Here we are.

I am perking up at this. If I cut my hair and change my name to Dave, I should be able to identify out of periods, pregnancy scares and the menopause, according to Kirstie.

Nancydrawd
Thank you for reminding me of the wonderful ManiacMagpie. She's a marvellous example of a courageous, articulate and intelligent young woman.

@TheABC

I am perking up at this. If I cut my hair and change my name to Dave, I should be able to identify out of periods, pregnancy scares and the menopause, according to Kirstie.

Bonus. I have cut my hair, though, and it's not working. What next?

@DeRigueurMortis

I'd like to ask her (and any other MP/SMP of her viewpoint) the following:

Hypothetically speaking do you think it's possible for a Transwoman to rape a Woman?

If you answer yes, then do you accept that a TW can have a penis? An organ that is the sole preserve of men?

If you answer no, then do you both accept and approve the logical consequence is that no TW could be convicted of rape and "only" sexual assault?

That's not a particularly intelligent question in the context of Scots law or I would assume English law either.

The definition of rape in the Sexual Offences (S) Act 2009 is not dependent on what the victim or the accused calls themselves or their gender or even their biological sex. A trans man who has a surgically constructed penis could be guilty of raping a trans woman who has a surgically constructed vagina.

Rape is the penetration without consent of a person's vagina, mouth or anus by another person's penis.

If a person (“A”), with A's penis—

(a)without another person (“B”) consenting, and

(b)without any reasonable belief that B consents,

penetrates to any extent, either intending to do so or reckless as to whether there is penetration, the vagina, anus or mouth of B then A commits an offence, to be known as the offence of rape

In this Act—

“penis” includes a surgically constructed penis if it forms part of A, having been created in the course of surgical treatment, and

“vagina” includes—

(a)the vulva, and

(b)a surgically constructed vagina (together with any surgically constructed vulva), if it forms part of B, having been created in the course of such treatment

I think I now understand why so many men send women dick pics, because how else would they know they were a bloke?

That's not a particularly intelligent question in the context of Scots law or I would assume English law either.

Thank you for the clarification though I might suggest you could have been less patronising in your response or omitted being patronising at all in the rush to display your superior knowledge of the law.

Just the facts would have been more than sufficient in explanation and indeed useful.

I tremendously admire many of the posters and collective wisdom I encounter on FWR.

But I'm also on too many occasions dismayed by the attitude of some posters who belittle others new to the discussion or those even long standing posters who occasionally misunderstand certain laws/frameworks or who have different views on some aspects of this debate but share "core" GC values.

It's worth remembering you're not just replying to who you quoted.

You're replying to all those active on the thread and all the lurkers.

Those that might have engaged if they weren't put off by the suggestion that their intelligence was below par if they got a post "wrong" by way of what they've witnessed others experience.

So I'd respectfully ask you to keep that thought in mind @MissBarbary next time you want to respond again to another poster the way to did to me.

@DeRigueurMortis

That's not a particularly intelligent question in the context of Scots law or I would assume English law either.

Thank you for the clarification though I might suggest you could have been less patronising in your response or omitted being patronising at all in the rush to display your superior knowledge of the law.

Just the facts would have been more than sufficient in explanation and indeed useful.

I tremendously admire many of the posters and collective wisdom I encounter on FWR.

But I'm also on too many occasions dismayed by the attitude of some posters who belittle others new to the discussion or those even long standing posters who occasionally misunderstand certain laws/frameworks or who have different views on some aspects of this debate but share "core" GC values.

It's worth remembering you're not just replying to who you quoted.

You're replying to all those active on the thread and all the lurkers.

Those that might have engaged if they weren't put off by the suggestion that their intelligence was below par if they got a post "wrong" by way of what they've witnessed others experience.

So I'd respectfully ask you to keep that thought in mind @MissBarbary next time you want to respond again to another poster the way to did to me.

It's easy enough to Google the definition of rape- especially if one is using it as some sort of "gotcha" question to catch out Blackman.

I don't particularly share "GC" values.

And the same for teenage girls, girl children, presumably?

She's teaching children, girls, to lie for men.

What’s sad is women supporters of this belief system end up having to deny that they understand what a female is or say silly things about how they know they’re a woman but they can’t explain why.

I’m in Scotland and have no idea who I’m voting for in the coming election. I’d want a left wing party which doesn’t have any of this silliness.

Reading this thread by someone who worked at Samaritans on heavy breathers, under these ideas, she'd be told off for describing the men involved as men.

Ms Blackman doesn't live in the real world.

twitter.com/beth_nosnhoj/status/1363998660850188290?s=21

And do read the replies. This is not unique. One describes a man describing how he wants to be a woman and "Got off on making me feel uncomfortable."

Which brings us back to the staniland question.

And if my posts get deleted, the trans widow voice threads will have been stamped all over.

Deleting those posts = ignoring abused women.

The exchange with Maya in the screenshot on the previous page is very typical. In order to try to shame us, she uses the example of someone who has been “living as a woman for 30 years”. The implication being we’re rotten for excluding that person.

The obvious irony being that most of us have lived with that particular possibility for years without complaint. The reason we are arguing now is because that person is no longer the typical male who is demanding access to women’s spaces. That person is now potentially looking at exclusion precisely because of the changing pattern and the increasing demand that we view even cross-dressers and transvestites as women.

People who get all of their information from narrowly selected sources, or from their chosen social media tribe are shielded from the full picture; hence they can't see it and have never had to think it through.

Many of these people ( young women especially) have never read through the history of feminist thought, I imagine. Mary Wollstoncraft onwards.....Probably just recent inter-sectionalist writings.

@WarriorN

And do read the replies. This is not unique. One describes a man describing how he wants to be a woman and "Got off on making me feel uncomfortable."

I had no idea the Samaritans and other support lines were being abused in this way.

Meanwhile, the Guardian celebrates men who get off on making women uncomforable.

I bought my first pair of knickers in January. Within a month, I was wearing knickers and tights under my clothes almost all the time. My partner of 20 years has embraced this wholeheartedly. Sometimes we go shopping together. I let the sales ladies know I am shopping for myself. As I pay, I smile and wink, as if to say, “I am enjoying this even if you aren’t.”

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/03/my-life-in-sex

I had no idea the Samaritans and other support lines were being abused in this way

My son works on a help line for a housing association which homes vulnerable & elderly adults. The women who work the phone line often receive pervy and abusive phone calls ( not necessarily from the elderly or vulnerable adults, though)

My DSD worked for a voluntary support phone line for students when she was at University. They got crank calls and heavy breathers on a regular basis.