Is this going to end? If so, when? What will be the catalyst?

[SybillTrelawney]

Sorry if these are pointless questions — I realise no one really knows the answers. But I need some hope, because I'm feeling so fed up. The attitude many of my colleagues have to gender and sex scares me, and the way that all diversity initiatives at work now revolve around gender ideology (while ignoring women) leaves me in a constant state of low-level anger. I just can't see an end to it, and I'm wondering what it will take for there to be a big shift in attitude amongst the sort of people who are sustaining the current climate of fear.

its a shame tra's dont campaign for trans sports and refuges etc- instead of repeatedly telling feminists they shouldnt support women's rights.

I have no idea about that

Well now you know. Not very feminist really.

Those hanging effigies are scary, we know what they’d like to do to us but we wish them no harm at all we just want our boundaries respected. Somehow that warrants threats of extreme violence.

This, it's meant to intimidate us into silence. Fuck that.

I have no idea about that

Why do I see a theme here. Women say something that TRAs don't like and it's 'I worry that it's incitement to violence, maybe you little women don't realise the power of your words'. TRAs threaten to kill women and it's 'oh, I wouldn't know anything about that'.

You'd think someone who takes such a huge interest in this issue would be a bit more...aware.

You would, really.

Sisters Uncut? Is that the same Sisters Uncut who stood outside a building full of women in London and repeatedly shouted 'Burn it down'?

Yes, that will be the ones.

@wellthatsunusual

I have no idea about that

Why do I see a theme here. Women say something that TRAs don't like and it's 'I worry that it's incitement to violence, maybe you little women don't realise the power of your words'. TRAs threaten to kill women and it's 'oh, I wouldn't know anything about that'.

You'd think someone who takes such a huge interest in this issue would be a bit more...aware.

Sorry did Sisters Uncut, who are not TRAs but a feminist campaign aimed at protecting domestic violence services, really threaten to kill women? I must have missed that tweet.

ooh i can see why they might be very popular with tra's.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Sisters Uncut? Is that the same Sisters Uncut who stood outside a building full of women in London and repeatedly shouted 'Burn it down'?

Yes, that will be the ones.

The same Sisters Uncut who, before shouting Burn It Down outside a building full of women, watched as one T Wolf beat up a 61-year-old woman & later defended Wolf in the court case.

Sorry did Sisters Uncut, who are not TRAs but a feminist campaign aimed at protecting domestic violence services, really threaten to kill women? I must have missed that tweet.

Anyone who puts the needs of transwomen above born women in a trans rights activist in my book.

They don't represent feminism as I understand it to be i.e. a movement whose focus is females

Good question OP.

My friend is doing a sociology course via zoom and she says it's a big subject. She is not bothered by the stuff we are bothered by.

It made me wonder - how long has this been going on? I feel as if this has been an issue in my previous work, so must have started at least five years ago?

My father was still around and healthy when I first explained to my parents what was happening, so I think for me, it's been five years, at least, of stress about pronouns, bathrooms, trying to not to accidentally say something that might get me fired.

Does five years of this creeping into work etc seem about right?

I don't feel we have made progress but tbh haven't kept up with the current government view on this.

I think 2015 is about right, when Stonewall decided on a new mission. It really is amazing how quickly they pushed through the ideology but I suppose by then they were already in position, embedded in many organisations and institutions including government departments, police, NHS and education.

Thanks Daisies

It's been a long six years in that way. It's not a problem that will go away is it.

The same Sisters Uncut who, before shouting Burn It Down outside a building full of women, watched as one T Wolf beat up a 61-year-old woman & later defended Wolf in the court case.

Let's not forget counter protesting against feminists who organised a protest about rape culture in solidarity with women in Chile.

So for anyone saying why aren't you focusing on other things. Apparently we're not even allowed to do that in peace.

www.womenarehuman.com/male-trans-advocates-turn-up-to-protest-at-womens-protest-against-rape-culture/

I fear we have a mountain to climb in a storm LunaHeather, but I am not giving up trying.

Ah, Sisters Uncut, who want to abolish prisons - let's not be mean to all those misunderstood rapists and wife-beaters.

And who helped to raise money for Sarah Jane Barker who tortured her step-brother and then tried to kill a fellow prisoner, apparently purely because Sarah is trans.

Yeah, they're role models to us all.

Sorry did Sisters Uncut, who are not TRAs but a feminist campaign aimed at protecting domestic violence services, really threaten to kill women? I must have missed that tweet.

Not everything happens on Twitter, hope that helps! And yes, some of their number can definitely be described as TRAs.

Ah, Sisters Uncut. Apparently the right sort of feminists

@wellthatsunusual

Ah, Sisters Uncut. Apparently the right sort of feminists

Yep - the sort that centre men.

Regarding how long this phenomenon has been being noted, this essay is from 2013:

Forbidden Discourse:
The Silencing of Feminist Criticism of “Gender”
An open statement from 48 radical feminists from seven countries.

http://meetinggroundonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GENDER-Statement-InterActive-930.pdf

The court cases will have a huge effect.

A significant turning point will be when people finally realise what Stonewall & Mermaids etc have been up to, perhaps if Stonewall Champions start being sued by detransitioners - then it'll be like rats deserting a sinking ship, no one will want to be associated with gender ideology. It'll be like Kids Company on steroids.

There will be a LOT of back-peddling among politicians.

Possibly there may be some scandals also, in the vein of Jess Bradley but more high profile. If so, that'll speed things up. As would a hard-hitting expose of what's been going on e.g. with the quackery of childhood transition.

There will probably be a few fall guys - my money would be on Mermaids and Gender GP as neither CEO comes across as terribly smart and I imagine they have implicated themselves all over the place, leaving them open both to being sued and also to taking the flack. I would imagine their friends in high places will drop them like a lead balloon once the shit hits the fan.

But however we get there, we will get there eventually. Gender ideology is a pack of cards, it has no substance, there is no evidence underpinning it, only indoctrination. And so, it will fall eventually.

It's not a matter or if, but when.

Don't forget, also, that gender ideology is the in thing, a significant part of it is the youth movement aspect, like punk, or hippies, or ravers (except it looks like a LOT less fun!). But, once the next generation come of age, they won't see transition as a rainbow, shiny, positive thing, being celebrated by all and sundry. They'll see the tail end of it - older sisters and brothers struggling with infertility, sexual dysfunction, brittle bones, menopause and hysterectomy in their 20s and other negative health effects of transition on their bodies and minds.

Just as my generation wanted nothing to do with heroin (as it looked shit from our point of view! Presumably it must have looked enticing in the 70s?) and so we went and took happy drugs and partied all night instead (think that scene in Trainspotting where the two generations are so obviously different, yet only a few years apart) so the next generation will likely want nothing to do with medical transition, the crap fashion and the self obsessed, naval gazing, authoritarian culture of gender ideology. It'll look as shit and uncool as a smack habit to them. And this will surely make a difference.

Gender ideology is a pack of cards I mean, a house of cards!

Sadly I don’t think that substance or evidence is essential to a totalitarian and authoritarian regime holding power for a long enough time to blight the lives of multiple generations.

I hope that you are right however and that the court cases will turn the tide and that courage will call to courage and more will speak out.

Post covid we may see mass protests at sports events for example or events such as award ceremonies for women in business, the arts and politics.