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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transmen taking spaces away from males?

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SorryPleaseTryAgain · 19/02/2021 11:13

I have been wondering whether there are any instances where transmen are taking spaces/awards/representation away from biological males? I don't think I've ever seen any examples of this, does it ever happen?

Wouldn't it be so useful if someone could list all the transwomen who are known to be playing on female sports teams, who have won medals, accolades, women of the year, are representing women as women's officer, on advisory boards etc

And then do the same for transmen. All the known transmen that play on male sports teams (0?) have won medals in men's sports competitions (0?) are on the boards of male specific charities or organisations. Any transmen have been named man of the year, businessman of the year etc. And I don't mean LGBTQ accolades, but those that biological men would otherwise have won.
Also how many transmen are in other, general political positions (as these would most likely otherwise have been held my men).

It would be really great if someone clever (Maybe Fairplay for Women wink ) could contrast this against statistics for men and women, similar to what they did with prison statistics. That way we could see if the same patterns of males being overrepresented in positions of power, recognition for achievements etc continue regardless of how the person identifies.

Even within the LGBTQ community itself we see lots of transwomen in leading positions.

If anyone has any examples, feel free to list them on this thread!

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FannyCann · 19/02/2021 23:14

Jack Munroe was trans but now they are detrans, still very much a Guardianista.

Has Jack actually made a detrans statement or has it been more a case of quietly forgetting previous identity?

MissBarbary · 20/02/2021 01:37

@FannyCann

Jack Munroe was trans but now they are detrans, still very much a Guardianista.

Has Jack actually made a detrans statement or has it been more a case of quietly forgetting previous identity?

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/parenting/son-totally-cool-mum-gay-jack-monroe-life-non-binary-parent/amp/

Quietly forgetting I think. In 2016 Monroe was taking testosterone and calling herself, "they". Monroe is now a singular "she"

I think she did make a detrans statement. I'm sure it was discussed on here and deleted (as most threads referring to Monroe usually are)

womanity · 20/02/2021 02:21

I think most of the out trans journalists/columnists only write about trans issues. I don’t expect to be reading Debbie Hayton’s analysis of Brexit/covid/climate change anytime soon, let’s put it that way.

Of course, there may be many more, but how would we ever know?

Jack Monroe’s tin can recipes got my family through lockdown 1.

haggistramp · 20/02/2021 02:40

I remember reading about a men's support group set up for men who had been abused by their mother's, it was a kinda safe space where they could talk/support each other. Then a transman showed up and upset the dynamics of the group. The men felt uneasy around the transman and didn't want to talk. I think the group was eventually disbanded as the men stopped going. I'm pretty sure it was in the UK.

Gcnq · 20/02/2021 11:58

Haha some Telegraph staff must be reading this thread, posted today JM is officially "non-binary" so that means trans right?

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/parenting/son-totally-cool-mum-gay-jack-monroe-life-non-binary-parent/amp/

WagnersFourthSymphony · 21/02/2021 00:35

@haggistramp

I remember reading about a men's support group set up for men who had been abused by their mother's, it was a kinda safe space where they could talk/support each other. Then a transman showed up and upset the dynamics of the group. The men felt uneasy around the transman and didn't want to talk. I think the group was eventually disbanded as the men stopped going. I'm pretty sure it was in the UK.
That is incredibly sad. Why can't people, however they identify, respect other people's need to be with people of their own choosing? Males, females, gay, D/deaf, whatever - when they choose? It's all so entitled and narcissistic otherwise.
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