Transmen taking spaces away from males?

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I have been wondering whether there are any instances where transmen are taking spaces/awards/representation away from biological males? I don't think I've ever seen any examples of this, does it ever happen?

Wouldn't it be so useful if someone could list all the transwomen who are known to be playing on female sports teams, who have won medals, accolades, women of the year, are representing women as women's officer, on advisory boards etc

And then do the same for transmen. All the known transmen that play on male sports teams (0?) have won medals in men's sports competitions (0?) are on the boards of male specific charities or organisations. Any transmen have been named man of the year, businessman of the year etc. And I don't mean LGBTQ accolades, but those that biological men would otherwise have won.
Also how many transmen are in other, general political positions (as these would most likely otherwise have been held my men).

It would be really great if someone clever (Maybe Fairplay for Women wink ) could contrast this against statistics for men and women, similar to what they did with prison statistics. That way we could see if the same patterns of males being overrepresented in positions of power, recognition for achievements etc continue regardless of how the person identifies.

Even within the LGBTQ community itself we see lots of transwomen in leading positions.

If anyone has any examples, feel free to list them on this thread!

The lack of prominent trans people in our society is likely not simply because trans people lack representation. There are more intersectional reasons than that - trans people are three to six times more likely to also have autism, for instance. And with autism are four times more likely to suffer from depression, even if you take the trans identity out of the equation.

On the face of it, it might APPEAR that trans people are underrepresented because there is prejudice against them etc., but it's probably considerably more complicated than that when neurodiversity is considered.

There was a thought provoking piece shared recently about a transman feeling uncomfortable being in a position of supervising male adolescents on a mental health unit as part of his job without them knowing his trans status. He could tell they knew something was off and due to their trust issues and right to privacy from the opposite sex he felt it was not ethical and asked to not be in that role.

That's interesting, scrap. Takes empathy to recognise the breach of trust in that position.

Crosspelican, very true that those kinds of underlying possibilities will inevitably have an impact.

@hallouminatus

jj168 "In the UK at least there are no trans columnists on national newspapers"

Debbie Hayton in the Times Education Supplement and the Spectator?

I forgot Helen Belcher - Lib Dem politician and founder of Trans Media Watch Katherine O'Donnell - staff journalist for The Times in Scotland Diana Thomas has written quite a bit for the Telegraph and other papers Caroline Cossey - Bond girl and Playboy model (Tula) Shon Faye seems to write for the Guardian quite a bit. Nicky Bandini - staff sports writer and journalist for the Guardian Eddie Izzard - mustn't forget Eddie.

not high profile now but Nadia Almada from Big Brother was quite a hit.

not high profile now but Nadia Almada from Big Brother was quite a hit.

If you have to reach for a Big Brother winner from 17 years ago to show how influential trans people are then I'd suggest your position isn't that strong.

If trans people represent 1% of the population and achieved political positions at the same rate as the general population you'd expect there to be 6 MPs, 8 in the Lords and about 200 local councillors.

How would we know? They all pass so well there’s probably loads.

@hallouminatus

jj168 "In the UK at least there are no trans columnists on national newspapers"

Jack Monroe is a trans columnist in The Guardian.

Jack Monroe isn't trans.

If trans people represent 1% of the population

If

How will we ever know if people are allowed to write whatever they want in answer to the sex and gender questions in the census?

I'm sure if we go by the Stonewall definition of trans (eg any woman who ever borrowed her boyfriends jeans, any man who ever wore pink) then the trans population is more than 1%. By other definitions I'd guess it is way lower.

Out of interest, do transmen ask to go to men's prisons? Probably very small rate of offending in any case.

Monroe tweeted that they were transgender. I always wonder why they rejected their surname as well as their first name. Everything seems to be so symbolic, there must have been a big reason there too.

They were formally diagnosed as Transgender at a Gender Clinic, no less. Maybe they wore jeans, that day.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jack-monroe_uk_57c93635e4b09f5b5e35d4cc

@Cailleach1

Monroe tweeted that they were transgender. I always wonder why they rejected their surname as well as their first name. Everything seems to be so symbolic, there must have been a big reason there too.

Jack did come out as non-binary. They aren't a salaried Guardian columnist anymore though and haven't been for a while..

Although Monroe came out publicly in October last year - via a tweet that simply read: “Yes I am transgender” - they had told close friends and family beforehand, with some having known for years.

If that is correct, this person explicitly stated they were transgender, not simply non binary (whatever that means). Irrespective of employment or otherwise.

I do wonder what the adoption of a more British/Scottish (with e) surname along with the androgynous first name was meant to be stating. Or rejecting. Everything seems to be a hugely symbolic gesture.

I don't particularly love my first name or surname. However, they are just mine and I wouldn't bother to create a new label for myself. Maybe changing names (forename and surname) is more common that I think, though. If I wanted to hide myself or go incognito, I'd do it. New identity.

However to get back to the thread, I really do wonder if Transmen go to men's prisons.

In healthcare, do their identities sabotage and waste the time, effort, focus and resources spent on men's healthcare such as prostate screening campaigns etc. as transwomen do with women's campaigns such as cervical cancer screenings and women's groups in general.

I would be interested to know if any trans men get to be on boards how are they shown on diversity reports? Since companies seem happy to list transwomen as females in order to show how open they are will they be willing to say transmen are male and lose that advantage? Or will they use trans or female if it is of benefit to them?

I hope that makes sense!

There was talk about how trans men were specifically excluded from primogeniture inheritance rules. I don’t know how true it is. That primogeniture inheritance still exists at all tells you quite a lot about supposed sex equality in Britain, and starts telling you something about why most trans are actually female to male. More needs to be said about trans men, and about why all the fuss is in the names of trans women.

@Cailleach1

However to get back to the thread, I really do wonder if Transmen go to men's prisons.

In healthcare, do their identities sabotage and waste the time, effort, focus and resources spent on men's healthcare such as prostate screening campaigns etc. as transwomen do with women's campaigns such as cervical cancer screenings and women's groups in general.

I think the prison policy is that trans men can transfer to the male estate if they want but it's not known if any ever actually has.

If you mean trans inclusive language being used in women's healthcare then that is nothing to do with trans women - in fact it's a good example of where trans men have been more successful in establishing inclusive policies than trans women because the language used in prostate screening services and similar is very unwelcoming to trans women. (although it is starting to change, you can see if you google "people with a prostate")

Isn't Freddy McConnell a Guardian journalist?

I've got another trans local councillor who isn't on the wiki list.

Phoenix Adair, Preston.

www.lep.co.uk/news/politics/council/preston-votes-fly-transgender-flag-3070024

For some reason I’m now thinking of the Python What Have The Romans Ever Done For Us? bit in Life of Brian.

More needs to be said about trans men, and about why all the fuss is in the names of trans women

Yeah, it's odd that, because you'd usually predict that women would be quieter and make less of a fuss, while men would be more louder and more demanding. Funny that it's the other way round with transwomen and transmen.

Jack Munroe was trans but now they are detrans, still very much a Guardianista.

The reason why you don't get any transmen in male dominated areas like sports, politics, the Sunday Times Rich list etc, is so painfully obvious it really doesn't need asking.

@jj1968

not high profile now but Nadia Almada from Big Brother was quite a hit.

If you have to reach for a Big Brother winner from 17 years ago to show how influential trans people are then I'd suggest your position isn't that strong.

If trans people represent 1% of the population and achieved political positions at the same rate as the general population you'd expect there to be 6 MPs, 8 in the Lords and about 200 local councillors.

I included Nadia because she was a bit of a star and I liked her accent.

If women represent 51% of the population you'd expect 51% of MPs, Councillors, possibly Lords (although tricky with the hereditory peers) to be women. Instead, we have quite a few transwomen occupying women's political positions and removing even more representation from women which is nowhere near 51% hence the purpose of the 5050 Parliament campaign.

hereditary!!