Q&A thread for New Posters

[CharlieParley]

Welcome to the FWR board and welcome to the debate. If you're new here and have been told your questions might be better on their own thread, but you're not comfortable starting your own, then please feel free to ask your question here.

I'll try my best to answer and some of our other regulars might pop in too.

@MildlyIrritatedOfChorley

I have seen posts deleted for misgendering and dead-naming. I have also seen posts calling Jessica Yaniv Jonathan Yaniv and calling her a him.

Is it OK to misgender and dead-name? How do I ensure that my posts stay up?

Just use their name without gendered pronouns. I would say it's probably safer (in terms of risking deletion) to use whatever the preferred name is.

Correct sex pronouns are permitted if the male in question is deemed to be a very bad man. This is fairly arbitrary, and if you want to be as certain as possible (no one, sadly, can be 100% certain) most of us will use neutral 'they' or the individual's name. It can be clunky and hard to read/write/understand, and makes communication very challenging, but it is apparently the brilliant new inclusive way.

I correctly sex for the most part elsewhere. I will, however, always use someone's preferred name, because I do consider that a common courtesy.

Oh, and about cis:

We on this board are Homo Sapiens, human beings. (I assume; on the internet nobody knows you are a dog, and so on, but for the purposes of the argument...)

If some members of the species Gorilla Berengei decided for their own reasons that they were now Trans Homo Sapiens, and that we were in future to be called Cis Homo Sapiens, I feel that we might possibly say "no, sorry, we have been Homo Sapiens since well before you existed as a subspecies of a different genus, and if you want to rename something, maybe rename yourselves?"

People get uppity on here if you say that gender is protected under the Equality Act. What's that all about? How do I avoid a flaming?

I have heard bad things about what is being taught in schools about gender. I saw a jelly baby chart. Teenagers have always been dreadful for sharing inaccurate sexual information and schools have attempted to counter that with SRE.

Where can I find out more about what is being taught?

@MildlyIrritatedOfChorley you won't get a flaming? Gender isn't a protected characteristic so as
Long as you don't try to defend the truth twisters who say it is...

I've not seen any genuine poster flamed on FWR, ever.

@MaudTheInvincible

despite one being my own example

Are you suggesting that liberal feminists and radical feminists are the same, or what?

I have no idea what you are on about.

I suggested substituting "radical feminists" for sea lion and then thought it wasn't a good example as people choose to be radical feminists or men's rights activists. People don't choose to be black and sea lions don't choose to be sea lions.

All that cartoon does is validate the member of one group's right to hate all members of a group with different characteristics for no reason other than the different characteristics.

If you (general you) think that cartoon is a ringing endorsement of your position you might want to think again.

@MildlyIrritatedOfChorley

People get uppity on here if you say that gender is protected under the Equality Act. What's that all about? How do I avoid a flaming?

The protected characteristics are sex (biological sex) and gender reassignment. That might be why people get bothered if you say gender is protected.

To find out more about what's being taught in schools you could look at transgender trend and safe schools alliance.

[quote Mrsmorton]@12frogsincoats for someone who thinks feminists are the hitler youth, you sure do spend a lot of time hanging out with us. Maybe you need a new hobby?[/quote]
I never said you WERE the Hitler Youth. Just very Hitler Youthy.

@MildlyIrritatedOfChorley

People get uppity on here if you say that gender is protected under the Equality Act. What's that all about? How do I avoid a flaming?

Sex us a protected characteristic in the EA 2010 Gender Reassignment is also a p.c.

Gender and gender identity are not.

A person has the p.c. of Gender Reassignment if they are undergoing, proposing to undergo, or have undergone a process of gender reassignment. This means that they cannot be treated less favourably than someone who shares the same biological sex as them. What the p.c. of gender reassignment does NOT do, is give that individual free access to the single sex spaces of their target gender (sex).

If a person has a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) there are some concessions, but an individual can have the p.c. of gender reassignment without having a GRC.

Oh yeah. Thanks for clarifying that.

You're still here then? Not reporting us to the prevent strategy? Or finding something else to do with your time that doesn't equate to being a monitor of what women are allowed to do.

What’s the distinction, 12frogs? And what makes you say that?

I finally understand what sea-lioning is from this definition. The cartoon, which I've seen before as an explanation, doesn't make sense to me at all, and seems to be about something completely different

Agreed. The definition makes sense- the cartoon makes no sense in explaining that definition. If anything the cartoon is more a visual representation of no- platforming- there is an unreasonable blanking of a reasonable question.

@SophocIestheFox

What’s the distinction, 12frogs? And what makes you say that?

Check the solidarity in Aldi thread. It was in a specific context, not a reference to GC feminists as a whole.

@SophocIestheFox

What’s the distinction, 12frogs? And what makes you say that?

I can't see how saying someone is "like" a negative thing is any better than saying they ARE that thing. It's pedantic weaseling.

I didn't say you are a paedophile, just that you're like one.

@CranberriesChoccyAgain Metaphor vs simile. Should be in the dictionary somewhere!

Check the solidarity in Aldi thread. It was in a specific context, not a reference to GC feminists as a whole

Yes, I was on that thread when you posted it, and I didn’t get it then, either.

Did the Hitler Youth go to Aldi? Did they recognise each other by wearing slogan t-shirts?

Cant move in my local Aldi for kids singing “tomorrow belongs to me” sophocles

Just to say that as a newbie I'm keen to see the "gotcha" arguments too. I've quite recently started to question my previous way of thinking and want to make sure I've considered as many arguments from both sides as possible. I think Mildly is going through lots of these, so thank you to her.

Thanks for this thread!

@Biscuitsanddoombar

Cant move in my local Aldi for kids singing “tomorrow belongs to me” sophocles

I knew there was a reason I preferred Lidl...

I have requested this info from our resident trans posters arguing that they must use the women’s facilities because they are in such terrible danger in the men’s but still had nothing.

There is no evidence on this because trans women have historically used women's facilities. As such there is no dataset. The only way to get evidence would be to force trans women to use men's spaces and then record how many were attacked. This would of course be an unethical experiment.

What would do know if that trans women in male prisons are roughly thirty times more likely to be sexually assaulted then men are. So that gives some indication of how trans women might be at risk if forced to use male spaces.

I love this thread. Thank you.

@jj1968 again, this is an issue of male violence. Why is it now womens jobs to fix it?

based on the ONS figures, trans people are actually safer (from murder) than the rest of the population.

The Channel 4 factcheck os somewhat misleading as it is based on the entire trans population which if estimates are correct is roughly half made up of trans men or those born physically female. All of the people murdered have been trans women. So whilst the risk of murder may be lower/the same as non trans people for trans people overall that tells us nothing about the risk of being murdered for trans women.