Gender doublethink

[thirdfiddle]

There's this little logic hop that happens in genderist arguments. You define something one way, look at some data or make an argument, then change your definition and pretend the same conclusion applies.

Classical example is women (biological) need separate sports categories due to different physiology. Change definition of women to gender identity and descriptor of women to "afab". Conclusion no longer holds - it's now "afab" people who need separate sports categories in their terminology, but genderists conveniently don't notice that.

Use a wide definition of health conditions mainly diagnosed at puberty and casting no shadow of doubt on a person's sex, and declare 2% of the population "are intersex". Change definition and say intersex means babies for whom their sex is ambiguous at birth - boom, 2% of babies have an ambiguous sex at birth. Allsorts told my child that in a school assembly recently

Refuse to record sex, record self-ID gender instead - no reason to segregate prisons by sex, look, sexual offences by women are on the rise.

You can't even tell if trans women are in your changing rooms, they pass so well. So you mustn't query any obviously male person as you can't know how they identify.

Changing rooms all have enclosed cubicles so you're being bigoted not to want penises in the communal women only showers.

Any more?

'Gender/Sex is Reeeeally Complicated and definitely not binary cos Intersex and is a spectrum and here is this one Scientific American/Nature article (for the umpteenth time) which is definitely not just an opinion piece which you would know if you had ever done Science past High School.

Also, Clownfish.'

"Sex is a spectrum.

We are gay men looking for a surrogate and know exactly who to exploit."

"Sex is a spectrum. Gender identity is complicated.

We will punish women with rape and death threats for not complying with our ideology, but not men."

Someone should take a crack at distilling this into a rules of Gender Doublethink list (like the bewilderness’s epic rules of misogyny).

T: I am whatever I say I am. If you ask me whether I'm make or female you must be obsessed with my genitals and a pervert.

Also T: I can't go in that bathroom because they're men. I haven't asked them if they identify as male I just know they are because.....well....they have penises.

My personal favourite:
"People aren't born in the wrong bodies. Trans people's bodies are valid just they way they are. They don't need medical treatment or dysphoria to be truly trans: that's medical gatekeeping. Trans women's penises are a female reproductive organ because they are attached to a woman. Genitals have nothing to do with gender. Women don't have to look a certain way - a woman is no less a woman for having balls, a beard, an Adam's apple, etc."

versus

"Trans children have to be put on a lifelong medical pathway to avoid them going through the wrong puberty , and having the wrong body, or else they will kill themselves. "

Transwomen: the most oppressed and discriminated against group of people.

Mature transitioning male with the benefit of the best educational opportunities, promotion opportunities, networking opportunities, wins Women's award set up to encourage women in their careers.

Women: But we have not even reached wage parity yet, we are sacked while pregnant still, and passed over for promotion. This award is for us!

Transwomen: haters!

Woke: you must put your pronouns on everything.

Women: Yet, recent studies have shown that CVs from females are less likely to lead to job interviews and if we get the job, we should expect a lower salary. I'd rather not mention any pronouns at all.

Woke: you must be anti-trans.

From the census thread:

“Trans people need our own services!”

“We don’t want the census to be able to tell who is trans and who isn’t so it’s better if we just us what’s recorded on adult passports rather than documenting any changes from birth certificates!”

TRA: "Terfs" are people who deny transpeople's existence.

Women: Err no one thinks transpeople don't exist...

TRA: Women don't exist as a sex class.

We will punish women with rape and death threats for not complying with our ideology, but not men.

For me this is one of the key points. They know exactly what threats to make to get compliance and we can't identify out of the situation.

TRA: you are unlikely to meet a transgender person. There’s only 5000 people with a gender recognition certificate. This isn’t taking away your rights silly women! It’s about making life easier for a tiny minority of really vulnerable people.

GC: so why all the changes in language and law?

TRA: everyone has a gender identity

The individual is the authority of their gender identity, but you are wrong to say you don’t have one. You do, I know better than you.

Saw this one on Twitter.

We will punish women with rape and death threats for not complying with our ideology, but not men

For me this is one of the key points. They know exactly what threats to make to get compliance and we can't identify out of the situation

It's nothing new though is it, historically. Shut up, women. You're feeling and thoughts are a waste of everyone's time, and so on. Silencing women, yet again. Buts it's sanctioned, which is just...utterly frightening.

I will suggest...

Biological sex doesn't matter to their real gender.

But then why try to hide their sex on a new birth certificate say, or object to sex-based provision of certain things?

Transman: I am completely 100% a man in every way and you have to agree with me otherwise you're a bigot. Guess what? I'm pregnant!

Well its good that Mumsnet does not allow the same kind of comments that Twitter sees as acceptable.