Gender doublethink

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There's this little logic hop that happens in genderist arguments. You define something one way, look at some data or make an argument, then change your definition and pretend the same conclusion applies.

Classical example is women (biological) need separate sports categories due to different physiology. Change definition of women to gender identity and descriptor of women to "afab". Conclusion no longer holds - it's now "afab" people who need separate sports categories in their terminology, but genderists conveniently don't notice that.

Use a wide definition of health conditions mainly diagnosed at puberty and casting no shadow of doubt on a person's sex, and declare 2% of the population "are intersex". Change definition and say intersex means babies for whom their sex is ambiguous at birth - boom, 2% of babies have an ambiguous sex at birth. Allsorts told my child that in a school assembly recently

Refuse to record sex, record self-ID gender instead - no reason to segregate prisons by sex, look, sexual offences by women are on the rise.

You can't even tell if trans women are in your changing rooms, they pass so well. So you mustn't query any obviously male person as you can't know how they identify.

Changing rooms all have enclosed cubicles so you're being bigoted not to want penises in the communal women only showers.

Any more?

“Puberty blockers don’t affect future sexual function, what are you on about?”

“It’s ok if puberty blockers affect future sexual function because some adults are asexual anyway.”

There’s definitely one about “being against Gay conversion therapy but supportive of surgery on teens (who are exhibiting signs that they may be gay)”

Man does something only male people get the opportunity to do, making full use of his male privilege: fathers children, wins decathlon gold, climbs Mt. Everest with the British Team in 1953, attends all-male Oxford College in 60s, member of male army regiment etc

Transitions

Yay! His feelings tell him that his experience is a woman's/female experience and was so from the beginning. Gender was a trap. He gets to be the first 'woman' to do things. He feels entitled to use women's spaces and is happy to ignore the women saying no.

Celebrated

Woman: states that there are material differences between the lives and opportunities of those males and her own life, actually female from the beginning. She battles to make headway in a structurally sexist society. Her feelings tell her that misogyny is still rife, gender is a trap, that she is losing the words she uses to name herself - woman, female, mother and she has to resist being labelled 'cis', becoming a subset of her own sex category.

She would like some space to herself at times away from all males, feeling safe in the company of females, particularly when she is vulnerable or in a state of undress.

Boo! Women like her are transphobic and exclusionary bio-essentialists. Be kind, bigot!

Castigated.

TRA: Spouts pseudoscience about intersex people, chromosome combinations in karyotype testing, MRI scans showing lady brains trapped in man skulls all as proof that trans is an actual biological reality...

GC: Great, so people can run tests to confirm this condition!

TRA: No testing! No gatekeeping! Acceptance without exception! This is a deeply held identity and completely internal invisible metaphysical essence that eludes crude material reality!

We need to take this on, in law. Except there are so many tax funded organisations, that are so large, that it would be impossible to know what the case should be and who it should be against.

Judging by the comments in the Times this morning on the 'chest feeding' there'd be an awful lot of support

Tw are vulnerable, feminine and soft and gentle in nature and are not aggressive. They need to be in women’s spaces. Oh and also women’s rugby/cage fighting/ wrestling/ martial arts.

Chaka and screaming threats of violence on social media is just a natural response.

highame there are a number of court cases, if those of us who can't be public for fear for our jobs keep supporting those who can. Has the advantage that courts have to go by actual law not "Stonewall law", and government cannot legislate this nonsense if they even wanted to as it would look ridiculous and be extremely unpopular when spelled out in legal language.

You can't even tell if trans women are in your changing rooms, they pass so well...

...it is alleged.

😐

A baby pulling out their barrette or undoing the poppers on their baby gro is expressing their true gender identity.
Gender identity expression is nothing to do with sexist stereotypes.

Refuse to record sex, record self-ID gender instead - no reason to segregate prisons by sex, look, sexual offences by women are on the rise.

The ultimate DARVO?

What a bloody useful thread. It's when you see it all together you see how crazy it all is.

@prisencolinensinainciusol2

You can't even tell if trans women are in your changing rooms, they pass so well...

...it is alleged.

😐

Someone who believes their own lies, pathological liars? Or is there another term for it? Yes, these people should definitely be influencing public policies. 😳

Who are you to question anyone's lived experience. We believe women.

You feel unsafe allowing trans women into shelters because of your history of sexual abuse. Check your privilege, you bigot.

Women: 'Women are the female sex class and we are oppressed by gender.'
Activists: 'Nope. Women are a gender class; centering your sex is oppression.'

@ANewCreation

A baby pulling out their barrette or undoing the poppers on their baby gro is expressing their true gender identity. Gender identity expression is nothing to do with sexist stereotypes.

Always worth posting this as a reminder of where this comes from. If you apply the theme of the thread here and to other such academics it could be “I’m a seemingly educated-to-Ph.D level rational person who equally expresses ideas that are totally, utterly ‘are you on glue?’ level batshit.”

m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7KBZeRC1RI

I'm not sure why mine has been deleted.

There HAS been a consistent effort by TRAs for more children to have access to puberty blockers, often backed up by the assertion that these children are a suicide risk and that we are "literally murdering trans kids" by not wanting a free for all on drugs whose lasting effects aren't well known.

And yet the vast majority of adult trans people (of whom most are male) have had no surgery, no hormones and are women because they say they're women. It's considered offensive to suggest that their male bodies and genitals are not, in fact, women's bodies and genitals.

NotBadConsidering, I've known a few people with PhDs who have definite batshit tendencies, but nothing that quite compares to that.

Transfolx talking about their troubles are brave.

Women talking about their troubles are weaponising their trauma.

This is a brilliant thread. So many great contributions!

Women are selfish for being concerned about the male person in the neighbouring toilet cubicle in women’s facilities, but said male person cannot be expected to ignore his male peer in the men’s facilities.

There is no reasonable argument for segregation on the grounds of sex, but there is on the grounds of gender.

Trans people need their own organisations in order to address their specific needs, which they don’t share with natal women. This is legitimate and required.

Natal women who would like their own organisations to address their specific needs, which they don’t share with transwomen are terrible bigots, and no you can’t exclude transwomen from anything.

It’s extremely important to respect everyone’s gender identity, unless you’re a middle aged woman who doesn’t have one, in which case fuck off.

Woman is a feeling... but sometimes I can tell just by looking!

Women are adult human females.

Women who have differences of development of their genital tract, endocrine disorders, fibroids, prolapse, surgical removal of uterus, surgical removal of breasts, are homosexual or have an appearance which is not typical of western beauty ideals...are still female.

Having a Y chromosome means that you are also female if you like to dress in the same way that my daughter does. Even if you are in your 60s, have children, a wife and a massive pension.

Not all domestic abuse is physical

Domestic abuse includes psychological abuse

Misgendering is abusive

A wife of a man who declares himself a woman is domestically abusing that partner if she refers to said partners as “him” or by their “deadname”.

T - has a zillion orgs catering to only their needs at the exclusion of anyone else.

LGB - Can we have just one org of our own?

T - No. Fuck off you nazi bigots.