Evan Rachel Wood - and companies rushing to drop Manson

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Anyone else finding it interesting how Manson's record label, and 2 TV shows have dropped him so fast after Evan Rachel Wood and others named him as an abuser?

Usually companies wait a while to see if it all blows over, but they've barely hesitated. On the one hand, that's great they are taking the women seriously and believing them. But to me it also suggests that they know enough about him to have absolutely no doubts - which begs the question of why were they working with him in the first place? Given a lot of his awful behaviour was well known, why did it take them this long?

I think they knew and just didn't care. Just like the BBC and ITV have done with their stars

I think his star was fading anyway so it was an easy win for those companies to drop him.

It’s not just one accuser. It’s multiple women saying the same thing. So they’re probably fairly certain it’s true.

She spoke years ago about the abuse without naming him, so I think the people representing him would have known.

@Glenchase

It’s not just one accuser. It’s multiple women saying the same thing. So they’re probably fairly certain it’s true.

From what I've heard, pretty much anyone who has spent any time around him knows it's true even without the multiple allegations, just because of how he treats people.

So I don't understand how it's taken until now for them to stop working with him? It's like they were just waiting for permission to drop him.

If you've ever read the Marilyn Manson autobiography 'The Long Hard Road Out of Hell', which was published in the late 90s, you wouldn't find these allegations in the least bit surprising. Also, MM's guitarist Twiggy Ramirez was also accused of abuse by his ex girlfriend. Birds of a feather.

@Lammergeier

If you've ever read the Marilyn Manson autobiography 'The Long Hard Road Out of Hell', which was published in the late 90s, you wouldn't find these allegations in the least bit surprising. Also, MM's guitarist Twiggy Ramirez was also accused of abuse by his ex girlfriend. Birds of a feather.

I didn't read it, but most of my friends did, so I got to hear excerpts. Grim stuff. It's been so out in the open for so long.

He's also mates with Johnny Depp.

Yes he is mates with Johnny Depp a victim of domestic abuse himself.

I'm not disputing that Johnny has done wrong as well but not much point dragging him into it

Sexual abuse takes the spotlight.
Meanwhile, other forms of abuse are 'normalised' or ignored all together.

It's the same old same.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9211201/Marilyn-Manson-said-fantasized-smashing-Evan-Rachel-Woods-skull-sledgehammer.html

Given what he has already said, the only (very weak) justification record companies had was that she hadn't described his treatment as abuse.

Now that she has there is really no doubt.

The sooner MM is flushed down the toilet of time the better.

I don't believe his account of Jennifer Syme's death at all.

@MondayYogurt

The sooner MM is flushed down the toilet of time the better.

I don't believe his account of Jennifer Syme's death at all.

Wow, I did not know that Manson was involved in her death.

I think this has been a Weinstein type situation. Everyone knew, for decades it seems, that Manson has a revolving door of very young girlfriends he likes to control and abuse. The record company is aware it's true and it's likely there's more to come out.

Former assistants have now said that they were fully aware, that he's been abusing pretty much every woman around him and that his management also knew.

He's done a Savile - using superficial, performative weirdness as a cover for actual deviancy.

I saw one of his recent music videos. It might have been with Johnny Depp in it. If it's the one I'm thinking of it was absolutely vile. In the end there were flashes of a woman in a bathtub, decapitated from what I can remember.

He seems to have been telling everyone who is for quite some time and has said some seriously disturbing things in his interviews. People gave him the benefit of the doubt because they didn't want to believe it, it was more palatable to think of it all as brand boosting theatrics or attention-seeking eccentricity. One of the women he was interested in broke their dalliance off because he told her he had fantasies of burning her alive. A wise move which saved her from years of mental trauma. I think she worked in porn and probably seen hair fair share of unpleasant or strange men.

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

He's done a Savile - using superficial, performative weirdness as a cover for actual deviancy.

See also: Terry Richardson (who has definitely shot MM)

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

He's done a Savile - using superficial, performative weirdness as a cover for actual deviancy.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone just said 'I just don't have time for your peek-a-boo bullshit'

@MondayYogurt Ughh yes. Him too. Grim. If he's who I'm thinking of, I thought his photos of young women were so obviously designed for men who like teens and underaged girls.

I remember an interview with him talking about owning a “dildo-cam” so he could look inside his wife - ugh. He’s disgusting on every level.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

He's done a Savile - using superficial, performative weirdness as a cover for actual deviancy.

Yep, he really has.

I didn't know anything about him at all, apart from being named after a cult leader who encouraged others to commit murder. That was enough to put me off.

@newyearnewname123

I didn't know anything about him at all, apart from being named after a cult leader who encouraged others to commit murder. That was enough to put me off.

But, again, that is hiding in plain sight, because it is not unusual for bands/musicians to name themselves after offensive/horrible things - Iron Maiden, Joy Division etc.

@newyearnewname123

I didn't know anything about him at all, apart from being named after a cult leader who encouraged others to commit murder. That was enough to put me off.

Yeah that's not unusual in the alternative/rock/metal scenes, so wouldn't be a red flag to me.

On that note I've seen a few comments on twitter about having no sympathy for ERW and the other women, because they apparently should have assumed they'd get that sort of treatment from someone who dresses like him.

I have not paid any real attention to this case.
I do find it quite telling how Prince Andrew was the only name revealed in the Epstein scandal.
It is the US so these things are allowed to be put in public before legal course. Not in the UK - although the British press do run the stories.

One question people should ask - what would you do if it was you In MM position?

As for the BBC scandal that was or wasn't, it should make people think.

Just looking at the threads on here about affairs/adultery for instance allow for a comparison to be made - because it all centres around the same subject.

Perspective (not blame) is sometimes everything:

If a 13 year-old goes with a 17/18 year-old (not yet an adult in terms of the law) they risk going on a sex offender register. Even with consent and no harm

A marriage and family can be torn apart by affairs, yet such conduct is normalised as acceptable in law and the divorce then becomes about finances and possessions - not children.

Another perspective ( perspective, not blame) is to consider the damage done by officials in regards to misconduct in public office which carries a maximum life imprisonment tariff.
How many people have been given that sentence?

Zero.

Protected to the hilt while the standards are set which don't apply to them. How can anything improve?

I suppose a dead nurse at the hands of a police officer through a force who have been a cause for concern for years is not taken seriously. Officers slipping in and out of forces no questions asked.

I could go on and on about other issues there but that is in my blog where I have more to write.

Has anyone here claimed benefits?
You will know the levels of privacy information they ask.
We are legally required to give it. Officials, don't have to answer serious concerns?
Unfortunately there are some very sick people who would rather you suffer than them.

Such misconduct gets excused as personal and no-ones business. Or a counter claim as possibly vexatious. Sure we all make mistakes but we aren't sat where you are. A fundamental difference.

As I said to somebody recently, you can't look outwards until you look inwards.
As for anyone wanting to be taken seriously and be seen as sincere in any trusted position - it starts with your personal behaviour and attitude to it.
It is one thing to make a mistake but to then abuse power in cover up and use bullying, intimidation to silence complainers - is evil and does great harm to trust and peoples MH. You can't behave like that and expect others to trust you.
Look at the caliber of current PM - moreover, look to those who support him but wouldn't approve of his behaviours in others.

It isn't the people going to jail that are the real cause for concern but those who AREN'T!

There are people who are probably scared right now, don't be. Unless you are a mass murderer or total lost cause for help, there is always a bigger deck out there than you. You just need to find the argument for it.

I don't need approval or verification on my views because my own experiences entitle me to hold them.

I have no time for people who stand in my way. You have nothing of decency to gain.