Evan Rachel Wood - and companies rushing to drop Manson

[MedusasBadHairDay]

Anyone else finding it interesting how Manson's record label, and 2 TV shows have dropped him so fast after Evan Rachel Wood and others named him as an abuser?

Usually companies wait a while to see if it all blows over, but they've barely hesitated. On the one hand, that's great they are taking the women seriously and believing them. But to me it also suggests that they know enough about him to have absolutely no doubts - which begs the question of why were they working with him in the first place? Given a lot of his awful behaviour was well known, why did it take them this long?

I'll be honest, I struggled with that reply.. I'm not sure what point was being made?

But the bit about "One question people should ask - what would you do if it was you In MM position?"

I mean, surely the answer is not abuse women in the first place?? 🤨

If you don't want to be accused of abusing your partners... don't abuse your partners.

The naming of his band isn't a red flag for me- it's very common in the metal/ alt-rock scene as mentioned before.

People blaming Evan Rachel Wood and the other women for their treatment at his hands seem to be implying that people who look like MM (gothy weirdos) are all violent to their partners, which is categorically not the case at all.

MM is not a very talented singer or musician. What he was extremely good at in the late 90s and early 2000s, was self-publicity and showmanship. When his band first emerged, the Satanic Panic was still fresh in people's memories and lots of people were genuinely terrified of MM because of the content of the music, his association with the Church of Satan and his stage shows. It was an extremely calculated move (MM was a music journo before he was a frontman).

He has never hidden what a shit he was to women, people chose to overlook it or excuse it because as part of his 'dangerous' image. I'm amazed it's taken this long for him to get Me Too'd.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cobhBZmiihU

m.youtube.com/watch?v=WUtPTTHpOec

mansonisabusive Instagram

MMansonAbuse Twitter

I don't get how he is just being dropped either. I'm the least hooked into celebrity news of anyone and I thought this had been confirmed years ago. In my head Marilyn Manson = Abuser.

MedusaBadHairDay,

If that is what happened.

Privacy is treated differently in the USA as opposed to here.

Some people get caught - others don't.
Privacy issues centre with the media too.
Gossip is the bread and butter of media and they do all they can to get the maximum effect for PI or financial gain - if criminality involved also.
And as for the media claiming to hold power to account? How long has it taken to get the truth on Phone-hacking etc?
Why are we seeing another inquiry into The Princess of Wales death?
Unfinished business - and a lot of it. Holding people to ransome is not in their favour - nor should it be. When they don't put it out overtly - it goes covertly and a lot of people are dying around the media.
I could talk for hours on this but I won't.
The problem in the UK (and it is a big problem) is how full control lies with central government.
That needs to change.
I can tell you that is how it stands.
I can tell you there is a push for change (I am pushing harder than anyone).
I can tell you what I know (that others don't)
I can't present all evidence.
I do know who can.

It is what it is
The truth is the truth
The end will be how it was predicted or planned.
Upper echelons have known for a long time what is going on.

The media went too far and the blame lies with them. Try as they might to find a nice little way out because state funding is the only secure future if subscription fails.
They can lash out as much as they want - it just provides more evidence for future demise.
Firstly, they have to fire into their own ranks.
What happened to the story on Google finances?

My views cannot be altered.

This pandemic is no doubt overshadowing a lot.
I won't be letting go in that fight.

I don't look at this story and see a potential case for criminal proceedings - I see a lot more .

I don't have an agenda nor coerced by anybody.
However, when pulled into a difficult situation, I can't take the choice to do nothing.

People die fighting for what they believe in without decent recognition - that is hard to see and take.
It isn't about taking sides.
It never was.

If that is what happened.

Some of it he has spoken about openly, plus even now more women have come forward, it's up to 7 now. It happened.

I could talk for hours on this but I won't.

Well that's a relief. Especially as I'm still not sure what "this" actually is.

@Lammergeier I have read his autobiography and I don't recall rape or abuse?
It must be a good 15 years since I read it though

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I'm wondering how long he's been acting like this. Dita Von Tease, for example, I couldn't imagine being with someone who treated her like this, but they split up some years ago. I'm trying to remember who was the bigger star between them; I suspect him and her star came into ascendancy during their marriage.

@SoCrimeaRiver

I'm wondering how long he's been acting like this. Dita Von Tease, for example, I couldn't imagine being with someone who treated her like this, but they split up some years ago. I'm trying to remember who was the bigger star between them; I suspect him and her star came into ascendancy during their marriage.

I've heard some stuff that suggests Dita was also a victim of his, though she's a really private person so I don't imagine she'll ever open up about it. And I remember how his fans went for her when she left him, if I remember right he didn't discourage this - possibly encouraged it.

I've had the pleasure of speaking to hDitaer both in person (very briefly at a book signing) and over email, and she is an absolute sweetheart. So hope she's not being hounded by the press over this.

@MedusasBadHairDay I'd agree. She seems a very private and classy lady. I'd be horrified to learn she's been a victim of his too.

“ People blaming Evan Rachel Wood and the other women for their treatment at his hands seem to be implying that people who look like MM (gothy weirdos) are all violent to their partners, which is categorically not the case at all. ”

Exactly this. It’s the opposite side of the ‘but he seems like such a nice guy’ coin, and it plays into the damaging myth that abusers are monsters, easy to spot etc, rather than just potentially any normal random guy.

Some abusers hide it in plain sight making out like they’re edgy iconoclasts

Some abusers are outwardly lovely men that no one has a bad word to say about

Abusers can be anyone, and so can their victims

Is it going to court?
Let's wait and see.

I'm getting notifications for replies, when I look here, there isn't one.

Technical issues?

@Wotapolava er... What?

Putting this as politely and constructively as possible, your posts really make no sense, and don't seem to have anything to do with ERW or MM. About all I can make out is that you think people in power are getting away with... something.

Wotapallaver do you have another name, and research into sex cults?
I'm finding your posts hard to follow, I think because you know what you are thinking but I don't.

I had his autobiography and was a huge fan when they appeared late 90s. I thought that his book was sick and disturbing at the time even compared to some of the other antics that rock bands got up to.

Thanks for your opinions.

@Glittertwins

I had his autobiography and was a huge fan when they appeared late 90s. I thought that his book was sick and disturbing at the time even compared to some of the other antics that rock bands got up to.

I remember people treating the book as a work of fiction, "oh he hasn't really done all that, he's just playing up to his character, he's trying to shock/outrage"

Wotapallaver do you have another name, and research into sex cults?

If the answer to this question is 'no' then I hope they are both single.

I'm trying to remember who was the bigger star between them; I suspect him and her star came into ascendancy during their marriage.

Certainly him. She really became properly famous because of him.

On whether she would put up with it- creeps can often behave like reasonable people when they can't get away with stuff. Hence the many threads shocked that a long term relationship has become abusive.

I agree very much with the Savile comparison - hiding in plain sight. Puts me in mind of Desmond is Amazing.

The fact that as shown in that second video I posted, he talked in several interviews about locking his girlfriends up in rooms, including in soundproof rooms, when they were "bad" and having to remember to let them out the next day... And people just... I don't know... thought he was joking or it was false and just part of his "persona"?... Or assumed the women didn't mind?... But it turns out that it's true... And worse... And they did mind. Chilling.

whatapallaver serious question, are you ok? Genuinely

Just so he doesn't sue me, or I cause legal issues for mumsnet or something:
"Manson has denied all the claims since they began to resurface on Monday.

He said: 'Obviously, my life and my art have long been magnets for controversy, but these recent claims about me are horrible distortions of reality.

'My intimate relationships have always been entirely consensual with like-minded partners. Regardless of how — and why — others are now choosing to misrepresent the past, that is the truth'"

I used to be into him when I was a teen. To my immature mind it was all about his persona of mm not him as Brian. I guess I wasnt shocked because (as bad as it sounds) I almost expected it of him.
However with what has come to light recently it almost fits together that is who he is.
Didnt he and Courtney Love date for a while too. Cant see her being shy about coming forward

They knew, I knew, everyone knew. It's annoying and cowardly no one will do anything proactive to protect other potential victims until a group of victims would say his name in public.