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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Which brands are too woke for my custom?

103 replies

TheBuffster · 02/02/2021 12:04

Following the Innocent doubling down on we protect everyone from discrimination apart from women bs I was wondering who else I should be avoiding and why.

So far my list is
Innocent (woke Twitter pandering)
Coca cola (subsidiary of innocent)
Flora (withdrew advertising from Mumsnet)
Oatly (guardian as)

Any others I should know of?
Thanks 😊

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JKRismyhero · 03/02/2021 15:37

Fabulous!! Thank you - more than happy to read those :)

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 03/02/2021 17:39

And now the museum of brands has waded into innocent-gate with their tuppence worth.

Seriously, did no one on their PR or marketing teams take a bloody class?

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 04/02/2021 19:38

Oat milk

1/2 cup oats
3 cups cold milk
25 seconds in the nutri bullet
Seive through a nut bag (gently squeeze the last. It through.

Et voila. Easy peasy oaty milky. Costs pennies.

We did a taste test and maybe a tiny pinch of salt or a drop of vanilla. It tastes just like the oat milk that this old out of touch fossil used to buy in the health food shop years ago (when it was for odd bods and students, not trendy types).

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 04/02/2021 19:48

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

Oat milk

1/2 cup oats
3 cups cold milk
25 seconds in the nutri bullet
Seive through a nut bag (gently squeeze the last. It through.

Et voila. Easy peasy oaty milky. Costs pennies.

We did a taste test and maybe a tiny pinch of salt or a drop of vanilla. It tastes just like the oat milk that this old out of touch fossil used to buy in the health food shop years ago (when it was for odd bods and students, not trendy types).

3 cups of cows milk? I thought the point of oat milk was as an alternative to dairy? Confused Allergies/intolerance etc.
ThatIsNotMyUsername · 04/02/2021 19:58

Bugger - cold water d’uh! Must be cold (or the oats go all slimy).

TheBuffster · 04/02/2021 20:10

If you are replacing milk with homemade oat milk please make sure you source calcium, vitamin d and b12 etc elsewhere, as homemade versions won't have these added.

Myself I am too lazy so will stick to Morrisons own brand and alpro.
Unless they have fallen too?!

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CranberriesChoccyAgain · 04/02/2021 20:27

@ThatIsNotMyUsername

Bugger - cold water d’uh! Must be cold (or the oats go all slimy).
That makes more sense. 😁
LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 21/04/2021 13:38

John Lewis and Marks and Spencer for doubling down on changing rooms separated by feelings not sex

SmallPug · 21/04/2021 13:48

John Lewis - after yesterday (my package from them just arrived grr).
Sainsburys - I'm looking for an alternative. Tesco also out.

Who CAN we shop with?

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 21/04/2021 13:51

I wonder if a joint statement of:
Why we are boycotting them.

Asking for a solution not just placating.

Like a petition would be in order. Possibly the companies don't respond to being singled out by a few emails or tweets, but being put on a black list might make them engage.

SmallPug · 21/04/2021 13:56

I think that's a really good idea LadyByffOfBuffdonia

OnWednesdaysWeWearMink · 21/04/2021 13:58

Anyone who wants some drama should look into all the employee bullying allegations about Lush - sounds like a horrible company to work for. Lots of interesting rants on social media and various forums!

I feel very guilty every time I buy from Body Shop but sadly I like their products

LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 21/04/2021 14:01

Perhaps I will start a petition if people want to add companies to the thread. I can't think of any other way to format it, but I will need to look into petition rules as normally they're for government change. I suppose it could be a request that all companies honour the sex in the equalities act.

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 21/04/2021 14:44

I've ditched the body shop due to how they treated JKR
Recently Sainsbury. I moved to them after Tesco featured Jane Fae and donated to mermaids but now I've found out that Sainsbury have mixed sex facilities and pronoun badges
Lush I ditched but have since found out they have donated to womens groups. I think they will jump on any bandwagon
Next, M&S, John Lewis all because of mixed sex changing rooms. M&S I will never shop at again due to the TW bra fitter on Oxford St

ChristinaXYZ · 21/04/2021 15:12

@OnWednesdaysWeWearMink

Anyone who wants some drama should look into all the employee bullying allegations about Lush - sounds like a horrible company to work for. Lots of interesting rants on social media and various forums!

I feel very guilty every time I buy from Body Shop but sadly I like their products

I won't shop at The Body Shop or Lush. I've found some good alternatives at Sense of Arran arran.com/

As a rule of thumb the further away from the London and the South East or major cities the headquarters of a business is the less woke they seem to be. I think Morrisons is the least woke of the supermarkets and the Co-op backed down smartish after the twitter debacle for example.

PumpkinSpiceWoman · 22/04/2021 10:29

@YrHenWrach

Lush and Body Shop, plenty of san-pro companies are referring to women as menstruators too. I have a list on Twitter, will see if I can find more.
Not all women have periods. You know that.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/04/2021 10:34

So? It's an entirely female issue.

StillFemale · 22/04/2021 10:37

Not all women have periods. You know that.

Absolutely agree, I’ve had a hysterectomy, I no longer have periods.

I find san-pro companies referring to women as menstruators very distressing. Please #BeKind and call women using san-pro products women

Conniethesensible · 22/04/2021 10:58

@Ereshkigalangcleg

So? It's an entirely female issue.
Ahh I see you think Trans men are women, and we have pudding for brains. If inclusivity for period products hurts your idea of womanhood - there’s no hope for you.
LadyBuffOfBuffdonia · 22/04/2021 11:03

Inclusive would be 'women, non binary and transmen"
Menstruaters is dehumanising.
Anyway, this thread is specifically for naming companies.

ChristinaXYZ · 22/04/2021 16:15

@ArabellaScott

I'm sure there are some period products companies who can't bring themselves to use the word 'woman'.
I have been searching about and just come up with this company who actually use 'for women' at the top of the page with the period products! Does anyone have any experience of them?

www.naty.com/gb/en/products/for-women/

I bought a large batch of Natracare pads from Natural Collection website because the word woman was used in the online description. I've only just ween the tweet where they say "assumes only women have them". I won't be buying again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/04/2021 16:43

If inclusivity for period products hurts your idea of womanhood - there’s no hope for you.

Nothing can "hurt my idea of womanhood". Women just are. The erasure of all things female I find offensive and entitled. Hope that helps.

mollythemeerkat · 22/04/2021 16:50

@Conniethesensible

I think I`m going to have to go off grid in a cave and hunt for food at this rate @Conniethesensible
Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 22/04/2021 17:41

Of course trans rights are human rights. Because trans people are human and deserve to be treated fairly. I don't think anyone here disagrees with that, or has anything against companies that sign up to such an anodyne concept.

The problems start when trans rights encroach on the sex based rights of women and girls, and clueless businesses climb on the bandwagon and start exposing their female staff and customers to danger and distress.

As John Lewis has done by proclaiming that any man who feels more comfortable in the women's changing rooms is welcome to use them, and when women pointed out that this makes them seriously uncomfortable and unsafe they get the response that JL are inclusive and if any of the males given carte blanche to strip off in the women's changing area commits an offence their (untrained, female), staff members will be responsible for stopping them, protecting the other women and girls, and notifying security and the authorities.

Of course those female staff members will also be told that it is transphobic to question any man who sets off their internal alarm bells, unless they can show that he actually did something illegal, which would need to be something more than merely leering and fondling or sniffing the gussets of the knickers he is holding as he waits to enter the changing room.

Don't anyone dare report this post for transphobia or baseless kink shaming either because I worked at Debenhams in the 1970s and this was something that happened several times each week, long before anyone had a gender identity. This is a thing some men do. There was one creep who used to come in regularly to finger the crotches of those waist to knee manikins that sat on the counter, the ones used to display knickers and tights, while looking around and leering at any attractive younger women or girls who were close enough to see what he was doing.

As a 16 year old lass I was in awe of the middle aged women who worked the lingerie department, who had somehow learnt to take such deeply disturbing behaviour in stride. Of course they were secure in the knowledge that they had Debenhams full support when they used their authority to brusquely order those men to leave, and that security was on hand should they ignore the command and decide they'd rather stay and savour the discomfort of shocked female customers.

The manikin crotch fondler got permanently banned from the store after he knocked down a full manikin on the mezzanine floor and refused to climb off it until after he had climaxed and jizzed all over the clothes it was wearing.

The thought that men like him are now being told by John Lewis that they are welcome in the women's changing rooms is absolutely insane, and shows that the decision makers really haven't given it any thought, and they certainly haven't bothered to consult with the experienced women who work in the underwear department, who would have been able to warn them away from making such a horrendous mistake. Why bother asking experienced women eh? They just have to learn to embrace their discomfort - and be kind.

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 23/04/2021 07:47

How many transmen use sanitary products, surely its a very short time after starting testosterone?

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