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Eddie Izzard states he has both 'girl and boy' GENETICS?

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Nameitychangity · 01/02/2021 19:25

Story released today quotes Izzard as saying they have both girl and boy genetics? What the actual hell? I'm lost for words. What fantasy planet are they living on? Hope no-one, especially children, reading this actually believes this is possible.

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TeaAndStrumpets · 04/02/2021 16:44

I hope Eddie froze some eggs before it was too late. He is getting on a bit.

ToesAndFingersCrossed · 04/02/2021 16:50

Maybe Eddie is on our side and is just trying out the most ridiculous things possible to see what people will bow down to? At this point it seems to be the only logical explanation.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 04/02/2021 17:58

When I see Izzard’s extreme fundraising ventures, I can’t help remembering that not all people who do a great deal for charity do so out of genuine integrity.

Some do it out of narcissism. Some, as we know, for far worse motives. My money would be on Izzard being in the former category rather than the latter, but I do think when people (not on here Grin) gush about how great what he’s doing is, as if it automatically makes him a wonderful person, they must have awfully short memories.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 04/02/2021 17:59

@ToesAndFingersCrossed

Maybe Eddie is on our side and is just trying out the most ridiculous things possible to see what people will bow down to? At this point it seems to be the only logical explanation.
How I wish that were true.
gardenbird48 · 04/02/2021 18:05

@SuperSange

I was so angry seeing him doing those marathons (I hadn't realised him on Insta). Full face of make up and a long blond ponytail? Fuck off, it's not a costume.
I thought he was quite good looking as a man but ....
Pebbles574 · 04/02/2021 18:08

They should have just made him a Dame in the honours list, then at least the whole charade and pantomime would be complete!

DisappearingGirl · 04/02/2021 21:17

Okay so I have some genetics training and am GC ish, though I could still be talking rubbish, but hear me out ...

I think I kind of see where Eddie might be coming from. I think he said years ago that he had always felt somewhere between a man and a woman (can't remember exact words he used). I think I also read an interview years ago with Richard O'Brien where he said similar.

I think I remember Eddie mentioning the genetics thing years ago too. My understanding was that he felt that there may be a genetic element to him feeling part-masculine and part-feminine. I wouldn't be surprised if he was right that there may be genetic elements to being a feminine man or a masculine woman, just as some think there may be a genetic element to being gay.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there were differences in brain imaging between men and women, and that (for example) there may be some differences between the brain of a feminine man and that of a masculine man (I believe the jury is still out on the brain scan thing and I'm aware there are studies suggesting this may not be true).

So I guess what I'm saying is, I could well believe there may be a genetic element to being gender non-conforming or to experiencing gender dysphoria.

What I don't agree with is that this means you ARE the opposite sex. And I guess to me, transitioning is something you may decide to do, rather than something you ARE, though it may be a more likely outcome for those experiencing severe gender dysphoria.

Just my two pence worth anyway.

WendyTestaburger · 04/02/2021 21:47

Any genetic differences between the brains of males surely just shows the range of variations possible in male brains?

It is a bizarre leap to take that one must be female because of them (I know that's not what PP was saying, but that this is possibly what EI believes). It is more than bizarre - it is homophobic, because arguments like these always seem to have a straight male in mind as default. It is also deeply misogynist to believe that, having applied one's internalised homophobia to oneself and found oneself not manly enough, one must be all or partially female. It is especially, offensively, misogynist when you consider that males are the class of humans which oppress females and always have done.

HerselfIndoors · 04/02/2021 21:55

Yes there is a claim among trans ideologues that studies show trans people’s brains are more like those of their identified “gender” (i.e. sex for the purposes of testing it!)

But so what - there may be an average-shaped male brain, and then a range that are more similar to the average female brain and others that are less so. The same goes for things like height, nose size, hip width etc. Some people will have features typical for their sex and some less typical, eg my height is taller than average male height. That doesn’t make me a man!

And if there are people with brains that are more similar to the opposite sex’s brains, who don’t ID as trans, then that shows it isn’t proof of being trans.

This argument also scuppers self-ID as presumably if your brain or genetics shows you’re trans, you don’t get to decide for yourself.

minchinfin · 04/02/2021 22:07

he's just trolling now, surely?

Doyoumind · 04/02/2021 22:08

It's laughable to even imagine that anyone could argue that a brain scan would be able to identify your gender but your genitals don't determine your sex. And yet...

bluebluezoo · 04/02/2021 22:15

It's laughable to even imagine that anyone could argue that a brain scan would be able to identify your gender but your genitals don't determine your sex. And yet..

😂 I hadn’t even thought of it that way. Brain structure and biology indicates sex, structure and biology of any other part of the body, including genitals, doesn’t.

There is some really messed up logic out there.

IamAporcupine · 04/02/2021 22:39

@Igneococcus

And his mitochondrial DNA is originally from bacteria
Brilliant!
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/02/2021 00:16

@Doyoumind

It's laughable to even imagine that anyone could argue that a brain scan would be able to identify your gender but your genitals don't determine your sex. And yet...
😱😱😱
Cailleach1 · 05/02/2021 00:30

Is this like those who say that humans share 98% of their genome with Chimpanzees. Maybe Chimpanzee ID is the next. genetics.

There was an interesting book I read ages ago called Virolution, by Frank Ryan. It stated that there is some virus material in our dna. Maybe someone like EI will come along and equally identify as a virus. Well it is in his dna. That or a chimpanzee.

Cailleach1 · 05/02/2021 00:33

First line reads wrong. Meant that as humans have a similar 98% of their genome in common with Chimps that maybe Chimp ID is the next thing. But maybe they wouldn't find it so .... arousing.

littlbrowndog · 05/02/2021 00:38

Naw he’s probably just sitting at home thinking look at my publicity whilst drinking a gin

PartyofPun · 05/02/2021 00:56

@Doyoumind

It's laughable to even imagine that anyone could argue that a brain scan would be able to identify your gender but your genitals don't determine your sex. And yet...
Star perfect
Cailleach1 · 05/02/2021 01:06

@CranberriesChoccyAgain

People seem to grasp that self-id doesn't apply to ethnicity (if that's what you meant by minority group). Why the same people suddenly pretend that biological sex isn't an equal but different reality to race is quite baffling.
You're wrong. It is alleged that the SNP voted self id would apply to ethnicity in the upcoming regional elections in May. Allegedly, they voted to allot the top place on the list in four areas to BAME candidates (Self-ID). Allegedly, they also wish to allot the top list place for people with disabilities (self-ID) in 4 regions.

Can't remember the ins and outs, but they received a QC opinion that it may be in conflict with the Equalities act, but they went ahead anyway. Someone leaked the details of the meeting and the letter.

Apparently, there are a few petunias rushing to declare their long held disabilities. I suspect the disability which a person can Self-ID as having is not restricted to those conditions which are usually accepted as such. More latitude. Wonder if humans having our ancestry in the rift valley will qualify as BAME Self-ID for white people who aspire to be as 'progressive' thinking as someone like EI, for example. That sort of appropriation is progressive now, isn't it?

It seems to me that this self identity business is a great way to cheat and steal other peoples places. Horse and coach through measures to create a level playing field and opportunities for other people.

Cailleach1 · 05/02/2021 01:11

Ok, it's from the Wings Over Scotland website. However, sometimes you get your news where you can.

wingsoverscotland.com/the-death-wish/

Cailleach1 · 05/02/2021 01:16

Sorry. Major fail as I think that may be wrong about BAME self-ID. Disability status is self-ID. Don't know if BAME is. If woman is, why isn't BAME?

Cailleach1 · 05/02/2021 01:19

No. I was right first time. it is in the QC's letter. Both disability and BAME are self-ID.

Monopoly over.

MedusasBrandyButter · 05/02/2021 07:29

The wording "do you identify as having a disability" was intended to offer people with a disability some agency over whether they wanted to declare it on a form/ for a job app, etc. It was not intended for all and sundry to demand accommodation for their non-diagnosed and even non-existent disabilities. It was certainly not intended to allow free-riders to benefit from any affirmative action. Ugh.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/02/2021 07:42

@MedusasBrandyButter

The wording "do you identify as having a disability" was intended to offer people with a disability some agency over whether they wanted to declare it on a form/ for a job app, etc. It was not intended for all and sundry to demand accommodation for their non-diagnosed and even non-existent disabilities. It was certainly not intended to allow free-riders to benefit from any affirmative action. Ugh.
Yes, the 'identify' is being used in a completely different way. On a job form etc you may or may not want to declare a protected characteristic that you actually have.
NecessaryScene1 · 05/02/2021 08:24

Don't know if BAME is. If woman is, why isn't BAME?

Their document says

Are you BAME?
Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic is used here as a statistical term.
The last census in Scotland sought a response to the question ‘What is your ethnic group?’ using these classifications:
White: Scottish / Other British / Irish / Gypsy/Traveller / Polish / Other White
Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
Asian, Asian Scottish or Asian British: Pakistani, Pakistani Scottish or Pakistani British / Indian, Indian Scottish or Indian British ...
African: ...
Carribean or Black: ...
Other ethnic groups: Arab, Arab Scottish or Arab British / Other ethnic group

If your true answer to the census question is anything other than the groups listed under ‘White’, then you should describe yourself as ‘BAME’.

So it depends on your "true" answer, but then what is "true"? Are we requiring that those saying they're women give a true answer? If you're accepting their truth, why won't you accept my truth?

Plus, there's a lot of leeway there in "Mixed or multiple" and "Other".

But definitely no gypsies or travellers allowed.

Not sure about Jews. Are they "white" or "other"? (A bit of a touchy area for some of these new Woke types.)

Another question I'd like an answer to - are "BAME"s actually underrepresented in the Scottish parliament? This document says yes, I've seen others say no. I'm sure there are fewer than American-addled Wokes would like, but compared to the Scottish population?