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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
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Barracker · 21/01/2021 11:08

Biden just dissolved recognition of an entire sex.
And dissolved every right that sex has, all of which stand or fall on the foundation of recognition of sex.
Further, he has made it so that the truthful act of recognising sex now may be punishable.

It's not about sports, or schools or prisons.
Or abortion or maternity leave.

Without the foundation of sex recognition, any and all discrimination enacted upon our sex is the gift of men.

To be afforded human rights, one must first be recognised as human, and to do this one must be allowed to distinguish oneself from every being which is not human. If I am forbidden from distinguishing myself from an animal, I am prevented from claiming my right as a person to be treated differently from an animal.

To be afforded female rights, one must first be recognised as female, and to do this one must be allowed to distinguish oneself from every person which is not female. If I am forbidden from distinguishing myself from a man, I am prevented from claiming my right as a woman to be treated differently from a man.

Every single woman's right I have as a female fundamentally rests on the foundation of my distinguishing myself from every man.
All women's rights are distilled into one principle: my sex may lawfully recognise and exclude your sex from this right.
Right to abortion: my sex may lawfully recognise and exclude your sex from this: your sex do not need it and you should have no part in it
Right to maternity leave: my sex may lawfully recognise and exclude your sex from this: your sex do not need it and you should have no part in it
Right to political representation of my class:
my sex may lawfully recognise and exclude your sex from this: your sex do not need it and you should have no part in it

All female rights rest upon the recognition and exclusion of men from those particular rights.
Some have their mirror in men's own rights; the right to exclude women from private men's spaces.

Some have no reciprocal right for men: the right to control of our bodies in a function for which men have no equivalent.

There are no women's rights now.
Only gifts that men can decide to offer or withold as they please.

They have with immediate effect abolished the right of women to distinguish ourselves from men. All women's rights have fallen and what remains is an illusion.

We're an unrecognised sex.

Quaagars · 21/01/2021 11:09

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feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 11:11

Good post barracker it should be in every newspaper on the front page, but of course it won't be. We will be lucky if anyone covers it at all.

HumphreyCobblers · 21/01/2021 11:14

Thank you Barracker. Exactly this.

ginghamstarfish · 21/01/2021 11:16

Appalling thing to do. I honestly think if I were a sportswoman, one with any clout at least, I would be looking to start a new category such as 'menstruators' etc, and all the female sportspeople could move over into this category, leaving the prized title 'womens' for trans women.

RoyalCorgi · 21/01/2021 11:16

Beautifully put, Barracker. You're always so eloquent. I don't know why others don't understand this. What Biden has done has HUGE ramifications for women. He has swept away women's legal rights with one stroke of the pen.

Quaagars · 21/01/2021 11:16

All women's rights have fallen and what remains is an illusion

Right to abortion: yep, still there

Right to maternity leave: yep, still there.

So your post not really accurate, they haven't all fallen at all.

Apollo440 · 21/01/2021 11:17

If anyone needed reminding what brought Trump to power this is it.

CaraDuneRedux · 21/01/2021 11:18

The only way to make it secure would be via constitutional amendment. Amendments are rare and overwhelming support is required if you look at the processes. It has never been a realistic option.

This!

An amendment to the constitution is the only way one could secure abortion rights, and that would require a 2/3 majority (in both houses, I think) which simply isn't going to happen (nor would the converse, an amendment to rule against abortion).

cyclingmad · 21/01/2021 11:18

All we can hope is it doesn't happen over here in the UK

Apollo440 · 21/01/2021 11:21

Right to sports - gone
Right to changing rooms - gone
Right to single sex prison - gone
Right to single sex domestic violence shelters - gone
Right to female doctors - gone

You are full of nonsense Quaggers.

Quaagars · 21/01/2021 11:23

You are full of nonsense Quaggers

How is it nonsense what I actually wrote - that abortion rights and maternity leave haven't gone anywhere, to say all women's rights have fallen isn't true?

SebastianTheCrab · 21/01/2021 11:25

@Apollo440

If anyone needed reminding what brought Trump to power this is it.

It absolutely is. In the last years of his administration, Obama was blathering on about "bathroom bills" when people in rural states were collecting tin cans from the side of the road to sell for money.

There was a reason people turned to Trump.

The reason this topic isn't at the forefront of most people's minds is because it is incredibly complex (think of all the different facets we discuss on here: sports, safeguarding etc), most people still retain the old-fashioned idea that a trans person is one that has had surgery and because most people know that humans can't change sex and women don't have penises. It would blow their minds to think this was being discussed.

The issue is that it will now start to impact on people's - especially, but not only, women's lives - thanks to this bill. But by then it will be too late.

SebastianTheCrab · 21/01/2021 11:25

*executive order - not bill.

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/01/2021 11:25

@Quaagars

All women's rights have fallen and what remains is an illusion

Right to abortion: yep, still there

Right to maternity leave: yep, still there.

So your post not really accurate, they haven't all fallen at all.

Really? Are you not concerned that rapists can chose which prison they get sent to? Or that women and girls have no right to privacy away from males? Or female athletes may as well not fucking bother anymore? Actually, that women's sport won't even exist anymore? That a rape victim who asks for a female doctor will have to accept a male one instead?
feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 11:26

What Biden has done has HUGE ramifications for women. He has swept away women's legal rights with one stroke of the pen

And worse still, he doesn't seem to be even vaguely aware of those ramifications. Ignorance is no excuse, every court in the land will tell you that.

CaraDuneRedux · 21/01/2021 11:26

@HecatesCats

Does anyone know the difference between an executive order and passing legislation in the US. Can it be rescinded or details of the order altered? How does that happen?
Executive orders are brought in by presidents generally because they can't get the support in both houses to pass laws.

They typically flip flop depending on who is president.

Eg overseas aid funding for health initiatives that include abortion advice. Brought in by Obama as an EO. Banned by Trump as an EO. No doubt soon to be restored by Biden as an EO (and we need to watch to make sure he does this).

tatutata · 21/01/2021 11:26

Not exactly unifying his country or healing any wounds, is he.

SebastianTheCrab · 21/01/2021 11:26

And btw I doubt Republicans will fight this. They don't want this debate and most of them are sexists and homophobes anyway who'd rather trans their kids than deal with them having a same-sex partner.

Horizons83 · 21/01/2021 11:28

I agree, the UK is ahead of the US in this conversation, and I am very grateful for it.

I also don't think it's a case of 'old men just don't get it'... I would say that about 75% of the population don't get it.

Whilst I am British I have a lot of US friends and they are without exception all very much on the side of the TRAs. They cannot fathom how anyone could be otherwise, unless they are an awful right wing bigot. If that is the culture in the US, why would Biden think otherwise? I'm not providing excuses for Biden, I am providing an explanation.

And of course that viewpoint needs to be challenged. I myself am guilty of not helping as I have not 'come out' as gender critical to anyone but my closest friends, and certainly not to any of my US ones.

feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 11:30

I think you will find all the important rights have gone quaagers Maternity right can be applied to everyone potentially, why not.

PronounssheRa · 21/01/2021 11:30

Ha, quoting maternity leave in the US as some kind of positive. Are you at all aware of how dreadful maternity leave provision is in the US?

JamieLeeCurtains · 21/01/2021 11:31

Can, in theory, the SCOTUS rule an Executive Order unconstitutional? Does anyone know?

HmmSureJan · 21/01/2021 11:33

Trump may have been worse, but at least you knew where you were with him, he was transparent and you knew just how damaging his ideas decisions might potentially be and prepare for them. Biden and Harris will do far worse with their policies and they will do it under the umbrella of being saviours who can do no wrong. Critical Race Theory back too I see. That country will be a shell by the time they've finished with it.

EightiesRobot · 21/01/2021 11:33

How is it nonsense what I actually wrote - that abortion rights and maternity leave haven't gone anywhere, to say all women's rights have fallen isn't true?

We are talking about the US where there are patchy abortion rights and pitiful maternity rights. The ability to campaign and organise for sex-based rights is not possible if you define sex as gender identity.