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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
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UppityPuppity · 24/01/2021 10:04

Biden has form for not respecting the boundaries and dignity of girls and women, such as how he behaves with the young daughters of senators, on national television:

twitter.com/anthonyzenkus/status/1260243409995997184?s=20

OMG - that video is scary stuff. Just look at the reactions of those children.

Stonewall are never, ever going to stop pushing their shit, are they? And they'll use any dirty trick they can.They need to fuck off forever and ever.

DARVO in plain sight.

SunsetBeetch · 24/01/2021 10:48

[quote miri1985]As terrible as this is for American girls, it has thrown open the overton window in the US.

NY post article "Biden’s trans order undoes decades of feminist progress" nypost.com/2021/01/22/bidens-trans-order-undoes-decades-of-feminist-progress/[/quote]
That this is in the NY Post is quite significant, as they have been on the TWAW bandwagon for quite a while. Interesting.

Livinginthecity · 24/01/2021 10:51

Trump wanted to roll back abortion rights at the behest of his Baptist friends, Biden is rolling back women's rights to single sex spaces. Neither of them like women.

Livinginthecity · 24/01/2021 11:06

Will be interesting to see how institutions respond once the lawsuits of abuse and rape in women's spaces start to fly.

OKannie · 24/01/2021 11:34

I’m thankful for this thread.

Biden also appointed Rachel Levine as Deputy Health secretary. Yet Pennsylvania, where Levine was secretary of health is one of the states that forced nursing homes to accept Covid patients with abysmal results for our senior community. They also appear to be far behind in rolling out the vaccine in the State. (I live here and my relatives in other states have all gotten it, but here the seniors I know in two different homes have not.)

So it appears Biden’s desire to promote trans people into the limelight outweighs his concern about the health of our country.

Freespeecher · 24/01/2021 11:47

Looks like the Biden administration are following the classic road of getting the controversial stuff through early, giving them four years to normalise it before having to face the electorate again (or, more likely, for the electorate to forget about it).

Also, anyone remember how the Spanish basketball team fielded several players with no disabilities and proceeded to clean up in the Special Olympics? It was a major scandal at the time with obvious parallels to the current situation I'd have thought:

olympics.nbcsports.com/2013/10/08/paralympics-scandal-spain-disabilities-sydney-2000/

SqueakyCarrots · 24/01/2021 11:49

Living -lawsuits won’t come flying in. Any rape victim coming forward can’t say they were raped by a man, that’s a hate crime to tell the truth. They can’t complain the female doctor they requested for their rape exam has a penis (and yes we can all tell without needing to check, voices, movements, bone structure all gives it away). They can’t request a female police officer to take their statement. They can’t protect themselves from claims of transphobia because the feelings of their racist now matter more in LAW. Look how few people come forward as is, when we aren’t believed and are told we were asking for it and are crying rape. You really think anyone is going to come forward?

The rich women(in their own right) or wives of the men who might matter won’t need to come forward, because they can escape this for now. The likes of famous actresses can get likes on Instagram for their allie ship to transwomen, while never needing to share toilets with them. It’s easy to side step the impact of this initially for the wealthy. By the time they release they can’t out run it they won’t have any legal way back. Anyone else is trapped in the former reality, where they can’t come forward when victims of this because they’d face institutional rape at the hands of their male woman doctor (and that’s exactly what it is, anyone whose had a rape kit done knows how traumatic it is if it’s a woman doctor, a man is just another rape. The victim won’t even be able to change their mind at the appointment, because then they’d be charged with a hate crime for not spreading their legs for another man to play woman). It may not happen tomorrow like this but it’s a very fast slippery slope that has no way of reversal.

SqueakyCarrots · 24/01/2021 12:02

Feeling I’m really not sure off the top of my head, but there’s plenty backlogs on the feminism board here, plenty Irish women there to explain too.

I’m a little shocked at so many people agreeing with me here and the other thread. As well as being called eloquent. I’m heavily medicated on pain meds and struggle to type at the best of times, and struggle to think clearly. Addressing this simply with my kids teachers, mps and so on has always been enough of a challenge. I used to do this on Twitter a decade or so ago, and there’s plenty even just a few years back there about Canada’s laws especially. I can’t recall names but I can picture the feminist writer who spoke up publicly at the time, there’s tones of you tube vids.

I feel like I’ve been saying this on repeat here for ever, I change names and I don’t come in often or post much else, but rarely do I hear anyone agreeing with me or not brushing aside what I say. So I’m a little surprised anyone is seeing it now. And I’ve never thought of what I say as important enough to anyone else here, to collect or organise information.

I guess I’ve always personally get like my voice was taken from me and used against me, so this large scale adaptation of this has always been clear to me, but I’ve never had the skills to get my voice heard, so it becomes a self fulfilling loop for me.

Sorry to waffle about me. But I’m not good at this stuff, and everyone suddenly saying they agree or I expressed it well doesn’t change that I’m not good at this stuff. So I’m not someone who collects information, because my experience is no one wants to hear what I say. So I don’t have the links, but I know there’s plenty info out there. POTUS might have gone further by law, but other countries are there already, their laws might not be quite as extreme, but they have made significant legal changes, and the effect in practice is the same. And that’s what matters because that becomes a self fulfilling reality too.

CaraDuneRedux · 24/01/2021 12:41

That this is in the NY Post is quite significant, as they have been on the TWAW bandwagon for quite a while. Interesting

Not surprising - the NY Post is a right of centre tabloid (not to be confused with the Washington Post or NewYork Times which are left leaning, painfully woke - the NYT was the one that recently sacked an editor at the request of staffers because the editor commissioned an op ed piece from a right wing politician).

OldFolksTalkinBoutBackinMyDay2 · 24/01/2021 13:00

Sorry to waffle about me. But I’m not good at this stuff...

I disagree. You are very good at this stuff. I always read your posts and most likely always read your posts under your different names. Keep up the good work. xx

GrinitchSpinach · 24/01/2021 13:04

Looks like the Biden administration are following the classic road of getting the controversial stuff through early, giving them four years to normalise it before having to face the electorate again (or, more likely, for the electorate to forget about it).

FreeSpeecher, Biden won't run again until 2024 (if he tries for re-election), true, but his party faces voters again in 2022. In these "midterm" elections, every member of the House and 1/3 of the Senate is up for re-election. I hope we can make enough noise ahead of those races that the party starts to understand how badly they've fucked this up.

Will be interesting to see how institutions respond once the lawsuits of abuse and rape in women's spaces start to fly.
Living, there are several underway already. Reminds me I need to check on what's happening with them. It's very hard in a country as big as this to know what's going on in other states, particularly when the national media keeps an omertà on any reporting of negative consequences of gender ideology. I'm thinking of the female prisoner raped by a male in an Illinois prison, which I read about only on womenarehuman....

NonnyMouse1337 · 24/01/2021 13:44

Sounds like there's definitely a need for a Resisters type network in each US state to mobilise support and put pressure on politicians in the run up to the midterm elections. Get them out if they won't support women's rights.

SunsetBeetch · 24/01/2021 15:08

And here's some Biden racism.

HettieMills · 24/01/2021 15:21

That's so sad sunset 😢

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 24/01/2021 15:35

1. We all pay for contraceptives here - there's no free barrier anything

Contraceptives are free from the NHS. IIRC Obama tried to get them covered by insurance under AHA. If you had a robust legal framework for sex-based rights, that might have been harder to for the Supreme Court to overrule.

4. U.S. Employers tell people to be in charge of their own uniforms and if they have a supplier, they aren't mandated to provide uniforms in any such size

I didn't say uniforms. I specifically mentioned safety boots, intending to mean a specific, very size-sensitive, form of personal protective equipment. By law, PPE must be provided free-of-charge to employees and must be fit-for-purpose. To ensure fitness-for-purpose, a lot of employers have a process for ordering PPE on the employee's behalf once the employee has selected a size and style from an approved catalogue.

5. Can't remember the last time I was in a public bathroom and there was a sanitary dispenser...they seem inconsistent at best. There's nothing that mandates that at all.

I said sanpro bins, not the vending machines. Do you really have nowhere to bin used sanpro over there? Envy

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 24/01/2021 15:38

I can see what the USA womens Olympic sports team is going to look like...

That might be the high-visibility WTAF moment that Joe Public needs to start noticing and giving a shit.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 24/01/2021 16:53

In sport it is so wrong , biologically there is a difference between men and women and that is just a fact.
If someone wants to be a women I don't care one bit , that is up to them but I wouldn't want a biological man playing rugby against my daughter for example. That for most is just not safe.

CaraDuneRedux · 24/01/2021 17:10

Contraceptives are free from the NHS. IIRC Obama tried to get them covered by insurance under AHA. If you had a robust legal framework for sex-based rights, that might have been harder to for the Supreme Court to overrule.

Under AHA, contraceptives were included. Between Trump's election and swearing in I remember a big push on social media among young American women: "Get your mirena now to see you through the first of Trump's terms, because you will have to pay for it as soon as he signs that Executive Order."

This was also one of my "all left-wing men have feet of clay" moments. At the end of Obama's presidency, they had a round-up of his achievements on Radio 4 which included a fascinating interview with the African American woman (to my shame I can't remember her name) who had been one of the prime movers behind hammering out the details of the AHA. At one point Obama had been prepared to give up on including contraceptive provision as part of the compromises he needed to get any sort of bipartisan buy-in. She had to dig her heels in and say "no, inclusion of contraceptive provision is non-negotiable."

Obama had no skin in this game - so women's need for contraception was to him a possible point of negotiation!

EdgeOfACoin · 24/01/2021 17:17

At one point Obama had been prepared to give up on including contraceptive provision as part of the compromises he needed to get any sort of bipartisan buy-in.

I didn't know that. Shocking.

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 24/01/2021 18:13

As I've said before, most of the time the legal fiction that transwomen are to be treated as women (in most, but not all circs) doesn't cause problem for women.

You completely missed the bit where it is Stonewall policy to have "woman" be a matter of gender identity by law. I don't have a gender identity even though I am female: it is dictionaries' "adult human female" and EqA's "female of any age" that define me as a woman, not my feelings on the matter. Under Stonewall's vision of EqA, I have to profess a belief that I don't actually holdin other words, LIEto be protected "as a woman", or else lose whatever protection that is meant to give me. Transmen and female non-binary people have the same problem.

GrinitchSpinach · 24/01/2021 18:24

I can't find any update on the case of Janiah Monroe, a male convicted murderer accused of rape after being transferred to a women's prison in Illinois in 2019.

If American national media were doing its job, this violent offender would be at least as notorious as Karen White. And if our justice system were working Monroe would no longer be imprisoned with women who can't escape.

Background:

news.wttw.com/2019/04/03/idoc-transfers-another-transgender-inmate-womens-prison

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-felon-who-killed-male-cellmate-with-bare-hands-now-accused-of-raping-female-inmate-janiah-monroe-ne-andre-patterson/

MichelleofzeResistance · 24/01/2021 18:35

most of the time the legal fiction that transwomen are to be treated as women (in most, but not all circs) doesn't cause problem for women.

How much evidence of problem for women is required? Confused

No. There are males who have chosen to self identify and there are women. Two totally separate groups, who need totally separate treatment and provision in law. End of. The GRA needs repealing.

MaudTheInvincible · 24/01/2021 18:37

The GRA needs repealing

Couldn't agree more!

Daca · 24/01/2021 18:39

I know this may sound perverse but judging from the noise everywhere, this executive order might actually be a good thing. This was always going to be a war, not a battle, and it seems that a lot of people are finally waking up. Thank you, sleepy Joe!!

BelleHathor · 24/01/2021 19:26

@Daca

I know this may sound perverse but judging from the noise everywhere, this executive order might actually be a good thing. This was always going to be a war, not a battle, and it seems that a lot of people are finally waking up. Thank you, sleepy Joe!!
Not perverse at all, it's wonderful to see the pushback, was it not drummed into everyone for the last 4 years that the president must be held accountable for every decision they make. I think the Dems expected the old school country club Republicans who would just be quiet, but this new coalition that Trump brought together are fighters (and much younger and tech savvy). That 80% is angry in a you stole the election and now you're taking away sports from my daughter!!!!