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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
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feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 13:08

The abortion now just becomes the right of humans regardless of sex or the ability to carry a child.

OldFolksTalkinBoutBackinMyDay2 · 21/01/2021 13:11

@Whatwouldscullydo

how is abortion a mens right?

Are you saying men cant have babies...

😂🤣😂

feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 13:13

I have copied an earlier post from Barracker jux that makes it more clear:

Biden just dissolved recognition of an entire sex.
And dissolved every right that sex has, all of which stand or fall on the foundation of recognition of sex.
Further, he has made it so that the truthful act of recognising sex now may be punishable

You can't give rights to a sex that no longer exist in a sentence.

Tootsweets23 · 21/01/2021 13:13

US politics on this issue is so different to the UK. This is seen as the civil rights issue of the generation, and anyone questioning it is a bigot, trumpian etc. The lines are so stark no one on the left can question it (or indeed does seem to question it). I think it stems from a common (wrong) view that trans people are biologically different to their original sex. So trans women in sport isn't biological males competing and cheating against women, it is some sort of non-male/sex is a binary person that means it is unfair for them to compete against biological males as they will lose as they are weaker like biological females. Ditto they aren't a threat to women in bathrooms as they aren't males.

It is drivel and anti-scientific, but once you frame everything with this logic, it makes sense for democrats and lefties. Gender is an identity and comes with a different biology that makes the person have the traits of their desired sex in whatever way they want to claim.

As awful as it will be for US women and girls, it feels to me like the US has to go through this and come out the other side either with the republicans in the ascendency or for the left to realise that the scientific beliefs they have are horseshit and they are sacrificing women's rights for men. Again.

doingtheirbiden · 21/01/2021 13:14

I used to work in an FE college in Luton and the very vast majority of students were from South Asian backgrounds.

Every toilet and break there would be female students in the girls toilets, adjusting hijab or briefly removing hijab which they absolutely could not do in the main areas under the male gaze.

There is no way the families of these students would allow them to use mixed sex toilet provision. If our government pulled what Biden just had those girls - who probably represented 40 per cent of the entire college population - would no longer be in education.

This is progress?

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/01/2021 13:15

Except if sex doesn't actually exist what are people transitioning too or from?

How can sex be a spectrum but simultaneously binary when required to define yourself against?

Arobase · 21/01/2021 13:15

Abortion can't be a 'women's' right, if women are no longer identified as a sex any longer. It becomes a human right, because women are no longer able to identify as women?

But does that matter, if it is a right that potentially benefits all women and in 99.99% of those who use it are women?

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/01/2021 13:16

When women get paid less than men it matters that the gap can be hidden by males with male salaries identifying as female and being submitted under female salary reviews

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/01/2021 13:17

I don't see anyone with baseball bats ajd barbed wire campaigning fir pay cuts...

Backbee · 21/01/2021 13:19

Except if sex doesn't actually exist what are people transitioning too or from?

Makes as much sense as the rest of it. What I find odd is that many trans warriors on twitter condemn those who have sex reveal parties and anything else that reinforces gender norms, yet the entire concept relies on gender norms. Surely if they were bothered they would be fighting for the abolition in society of these norms, so that others wouldn't go through the trauma or feeling that their body doesn't match up with them. Yet they don't.

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/01/2021 13:21

Aaah but it's not stereotypes. Nor is it the wrong body.

So what is it?

Signalbox · 21/01/2021 13:25

I just don't get it

It's identity politics isn't it? And Being perceived to be nice is so much more important than anything else. Biden will no doubt be surrounded by people who are either genuinely woke or else too afraid to speak their minds lest they are accused of being called transphobic/racist etc. It's the same problem that Labour have. Trans Ideology has been positioned as a civil rights movement and anyone who disagrees or does nothing (because silence is violence) is now a morally bankrupt bigot.

Tootsweets23 · 21/01/2021 13:26

I've observed that progressives in the US do not think about any of the detail. This is a civil rights issue for them, and therefore to even engage in questioning or seeking logic is in itself bigoted. So super bright intelligent people are vigorously and vehemently arguing for trans rights and dismissing any questioners or fact seekers. This is very common in social justice activism where group think and homogeneity of thought is part of the identity. It gives you a club to belong to, and it ask questions of the club is a sin. If there are only two tribes, then you don't want to leave your tribe as who the hell wants to be in the other one with trump and evangelical Christians and rioters and fascists?

HmmSureJan · 21/01/2021 13:28

@RoyalCorgi

Does anyone have any inkling why Biden has done this? Is it because he hates women and wants to remove their legal rights as a distinct class of people? Or is he too stupid to understand that that's what he's done - in which case that suggests all his advisers, including his VP, are also too stupid to understand it.

I just don't get it.

I believe it's personal for him. He has family friends who are trans and probably loves them and thinks they're all like that and wants to make life easier for them. Also large swathes of his voting cohort believe in it and I do not believe for a moment that he has thought it through to the end result. Why would he? He can never be affected by it.
Whatwouldscullydo · 21/01/2021 13:32

Except you would have to be living under a rock to not have heard about ir know about potential issues.

Are we supoosed to believe a man set to run a country hasn't picked up a newspaper or a phone the entire time.

What have his staff all been doing?

PurpleHoodie · 21/01/2021 13:34

There is no way the families of these students would allow them to use mixed sex toilet provision. If our government pulled what Biden just had those girls - who probably represented 40 per cent of the entire college population - would no longer be in education.

This is progress?

This.

When women get paid less than men it matters that the gap can be hidden by males with male salaries identifying as female and being submitted under female salary reviews

And this.

nauticant · 21/01/2021 13:34

Does anyone have any inkling why Biden has done this?

Biden won because the following groups leaned Democrat: young people, college graduates, the main non-white ethnic groups, and people in the big cities. I think there's a belief in the Democrats that this "progressive vote" got them over the line and this Executive Order is payback to cement voting support into longer term loyalty.

PurpleHoodie · 21/01/2021 13:37

I've long suspected that a huge reason for the Transgenderist push is due to the military.

The dont really want women in the military, but sign up men and (trans)women and they can say

"See. We have men and women in the military. Why is everyone moaning?"

GI Jane was a good film peeking into this aspect years ago.

AngryBananaSund · 21/01/2021 13:48

But if Biden is seen by the general public as going too far, too soon, then in four years time they’ll elect Trump(2) as a reaction against Biden, and then four years after that they’ll elect Biden(2) as a reaction against Trump(2) reaction to Biden1)

Unless someone can occupy the tenuous middle ground then American politics will always oscillate wildly between extremes

zanahoria · 21/01/2021 13:51

By then he might have given it a little more than a passing thought, and reconsider his position Zana? Or is that just pure optimism?

I think there is room for optimism. Biden has a lot on his plate and a waifer slim majority in the senate. I would be surprised if he passes any legislation on trans rights as he has many other priorities. He is a wily old fox and knows that signing an exec order on the first day wins him woke points but if the courts reject that then not sure if he will make this a priority. He has alot on his hands.

PurpleHoodie · 21/01/2021 13:58

He has alot on his hands.

And so he and Harris decide the very first thing they should do is sign away the rights of all girls and women in the USA?

zzizzer · 21/01/2021 14:01

I thought the US military were against paying the extensive medical bills which go hand in hand with transitioning. (Did I imagine that one?)

feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 14:02

This is a slippery slope and everyone should be worried about it, not just women - regardless of sex (not even sure I can say that now) What if next week it is decided that people can choose their colour, you can be any colour you identify with, regardless of the tone of your actual skin. This then renders any race protections useless for the BAME community. Where will this kind of thinking end?

We can not ignore the fact that these sweeping changes are aimed at the very people that need to be most protected! Those that are most vulnerable in society already. Young girls. Women and girls stand to lose so much - their safety, dignity, rights even the right to describe their own bodies in the way they choose. It is pretty shocking and unbelievable in 2021.

Biden is not doing more to protect discriminated groups, he is actively choosing to strip away what is left of their protections and rights with this order.

Whether he was puffed into the trans movement agenda or not, whether he has trans friends in high places that decided this was going to be Biden's number one order to kick off his presidency, who knows, but the magnitude of his mistake and misjudgement is now going to play out for years and years.

And what does this kind of 'progress' do to countries already struggling to obtain basic women's rights, that those countries no longer need to bother, because women as sex no longer exist? So don't worry about female genital mutilation as they now no longer have a sex to be mutilated.

The more you consider the implications of this, the worse it gets unfortunately.

BraveBananaBadge · 21/01/2021 14:03

Interesting to see a backlash (of sorts) reported in that Mail link, Needsmoresleep. Gives a bit of hope, although it refers to MPs plural when it has only spoken to one anonymous source. I wonder who it is, I’d be pleased if it was mine!

catpoooffender · 21/01/2021 14:04

@Glenthebattleostrich

Biden is worse than trump. At least trump owned who he is. It's a shame no one will look closely at why creepy uncle joe is so determined to stop women and children having safe spaces and it is telling this is his first act.
This is a really unpleasant lens through which to view his decision.