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GIDS rated ‘inadequate’ by CQC

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 20/01/2021 00:28

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/20/gender-identity-development-service-for-children-rated-inadequate

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Winesalot · 20/01/2021 11:10

@Cabinfever10

I wonder what would happen if someone was to contact all current and former patients of gids going back say 10-15 years to follow up and ask all the questions that should of been asked and recorded, but weren't and what they think about the service now. You know actually gather some information about the long term outcomes
Yes, that would be very useful. However, I doubt it will be done because who would be granted the opportunity to do it and do it with complete lack of bias in this era of capture.

A joint committee? Where the fear of offending someone will prevent explicit questions being asked. Where even asking a question may trigger someone into feeling unsafe?

And how many people will be coerced into lying by lobby groups and peer pressure? We have seen how people who have doubts are treated in Irreversible Damage and directly from the detransitioners themselves.

What a mess.

StandWithYou · 20/01/2021 11:14

Why are they appealing? Surely the CQC report adds to Keira’s case?

PlantMam · 20/01/2021 11:20

Another extract, which seems to demonstrate that GIDS only began to take capacity to consent seriously after the courts agreed to hear the judicial review (paperwork filed October 2019, Keira joins Jan 2020, confirmation that the court would hear the case March 2020).

‘Staff had received training in the Mental Capacity Act 2005. This training included details of the five statutory principles of the Act. The service had provided training on the Mental Capacity Act to over 50 staff at a team meeting in July 2020. A further training session for staff on assessing competency in children under the age of 16 was held at the team meeting in October 2020.

The provider had a policy on the Mental Capacity Act. Staff were aware of the policy and had access to it.
Staff knew where to get advice from within the provider regarding the Mental Capacity Act. When staff had any concerns about a patient’s competency or capacity, they could discuss the matter with senior colleagues at the complex cases panel. If the staff required further advice, they could contact an independent legal service.

For young people who might have impaired mental capacity, staff had not always assessed and recorded competency or, capacity to consent appropriately, although the service had recently made some improvements. We reviewed 16 records of young people the service had referred to endocrinology services for hormone blockers. On six of these records where the patient had been referred for treatment before January 2020, there was no evidence of an assessment of the patient’s capacity or competency.

Some records showed that staff had discussed the effects of hormone treatment with the young people and recorded that the patient demonstrated an understanding of the potential benefits and side- effects, although these records still lacked a comprehensive, structured approach to the assessment of the patient’s mental capacity. Since the introduction of a standard operating procedure for consent, capacity and competency, in January 2020 there had been improvements. This procedure had introduced a form for staff, young people and parents to sign confirming their consent to treatment.

...

However, the absence of structured assessments prior to staff implementing the standard operating procedure in January 2020 meant that the service has not fully assessed the competency and capacity of some young people who were still receiving hormone blockers. At the time of the inspection we asked the trust to review this.’

yourhairiswinterfire · 20/01/2021 11:23

@StandWithYou

Why are they appealing? Surely the CQC report adds to Keira’s case?
As I understand it, rather conveniently for GIDS, the report may not be allowed to be used because it's new evidence?

If true, I hope Keira's side can work some magic, because this is a pretty major development, and I think the judges need to see how incompetent these fools are.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2021 11:26

All the stuff about consent is really shocking. Even if the court case had shown that children could consent, this report shows that in many (most?) cases GIDs didn't even really bother with formal consent anyway.

Needmoresleep · 20/01/2021 11:27

The Mail piece is good and includes an explanation of the Gillick competence issue, and the Keira court arguments, as well as highlighting some of the CQC concerns.

Interestingly the Tavi statement starts off with waiting lists. I would have thought that was the least of their concerns.

PlantMam · 20/01/2021 11:28

Yes, that would be very useful. However, I doubt it will be done because who would be granted the opportunity to do it and do it with complete lack of bias in this era of capture.

In addition, I suspect it would be very difficult in purely practical terms. This is a patient group who not only change their names, but request entirely new NHS numbers to conceal the records held re: their birth sex. They may have changed their birth certificates and had their HMRC records filed in ‘Special Section D’.

If they have transitioned and detransitioned they may well be on their third name and NHS number. They may have relocated in order to start over in a cross sex identity, or to leave behind a previous cross sex identity that they have detransitioned from.

Being ‘lost to follow up’ is really common amongst patients accessing gender services across multiple countries. Unsurprising really.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2021 11:32

Interestingly the Tavi statement starts off with waiting lists. I would have thought that was the least of their concerns.

Waiting lists are more forgiveable and could be said to be due to government underfunding etc. If they can spin it that the poor cqc report is based mostly on waiting times it makes them look a lot less bad.

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2021 11:36

@SunsetBeetch

I'm shocked but not shocked iyswim
Yes I know what you mean. It’s expected because we’ve always known how dodgy they are, but to see it all written down is still shocking.

I’m also shocked/not shocked that certain posters never seem to turn up on these threads, do they? No one ever wants to link this sort of thread on Twitter Hmm.

ottermadness · 20/01/2021 11:47

Couldn’t they just identify as adequate? (Seen on Twitter!)

MerchedCymru · 20/01/2021 11:51

This is a major scandal. I'm beyond furious at the careless dismissal of autistic kids; at the total lack of interest in co-morbidities, childhood abuse, trauma; lack of curiosity at the high number of kids from foster care, or the increasing number of girls. No proper notes. No consideration of best practice in similar areas of mental health provision. No follow up. No bloody compassion at all.

The whole lot of them should be struck off.

MerchedCymru · 20/01/2021 11:57

Great thread from Hannah Barnes (Newsnight) highlighting the key points of the report. Absolutely damning.

www.facebook.com/MerchedCymru

StandWithYou · 20/01/2021 12:12

Yourhairiswinterfire

Thank you - I hope they can include this.

It’s worse that I thought it was. Shocking how incompetent they were.

rogdmum · 20/01/2021 12:24

Well Paul Jenkins has no intention of resigning...

bishopgiggles · 20/01/2021 12:40

I find this whole thing baffling really. Even 3 or so years ago, did they not expect they'd be under scrutiny? Surely it was inevitable? So did they not care they hadn't done the absolute basics, didn't realise (that would be quite some level of incompetence), or were they deliberately not keeping records because accurate records would have been even worse than no records?

gardenbird48 · 20/01/2021 12:41

@Cabinfever10

I wonder what would happen if someone was to contact all current and former patients of gids going back say 10-15 years to follow up and ask all the questions that should of been asked and recorded, but weren't and what they think about the service now. You know actually gather some information about the long term outcomes
This one of the things that bothers me.

Why are the clinicians not treating detransitioners like a ‘never event’?

GIDS/Mermaids/Stonewall have been in a perfect position to gather valuable information from detransitioners to help inform diagnosis and improve practices in order to reduce the regret rate? The target for regretters should be zero. Instead of engaging with these people they are ostracised, belittled and dismissed.

When a doctor misdiagnoses a person and they have undergone a treatment that involved amputation and invasive, life changing medication there would usually a reaction of horror and information gathered/procedures updated to ensure it never happens again - or are they just waiting for the court cases to force this to happen?

OptOutRE · 20/01/2021 12:43

That’s damning. But having dealt with the CQC when my mother was in a ‘Failing’, ‘inadequate’ care home, I know it is an organisation without teeth. I asked them what it would take for them to close it down (they’d had 2 revisits to up their game and it didn’t) They basically said they’d have to have more deaths that they could prove were attributable to a lack of care/neglect. Useless.

I suppose at least this is a high profile report and will give the bad practices and inadequacies a good airing. But, yes, it’s what many people have been reporting all along and have been labelled transphobic as a result.

rogdmum · 20/01/2021 12:49

Their response on Twitter is shocking:

twitter.com/taviandport/status/1351828464295436288?s=21

In 2016 the @CareQualityComm rated our Gender Identity Development Service as ‘Good’, but following its inspection in October, it has now rated the service ‘Inadequate’. We would like to say sorry to patients for the length of time they are waiting to be seen, which was a critical factor in arriving at this rating. We know the difficulty this wait is causing them and their families. We agree with the CQC that the growth in referrals has exceeded the capacity of the service.

Read a full statement, along with a video to the young people we support: tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/…

highame · 20/01/2021 12:51

I wonder when someone is going to realise that our public services are inadequate. If they were run like private companies, they would be bankrupt, yet we still keep ploughing money in because they have 'sacred cow' status.

We are, at the moment seeing inadequacies in all the major services being brought to light through all the public inquiries taking place, yet somehow this isn't treated as a MAJOR scandal. Grenfell, Manchester Arena, Maternity Care, NHS Trust failures. What is going on and when is someone going to ask the right questions.

How come poor/inadequate performance means you keep your job and I have to pay taxes to keep you with your salary and gold plated pension

PronounssheRa · 20/01/2021 12:58

Ideological, rather than evidence based medical treatment.

In the future we will look back in horror at how the Tavistock operated.

SunsetBeetch · 20/01/2021 13:01

How long before GIDS gets thrown under the bus? I'm already seeing rumblings on shitter.

SunsetBeetch · 20/01/2021 13:02

By TRAs, I mean.

Canwecancel2020 · 20/01/2021 13:03

@TrashedWarrior

Grin
SunsetBeetch · 20/01/2021 13:04

[quote rogdmum]Their response on Twitter is shocking:

twitter.com/taviandport/status/1351828464295436288?s=21

In 2016 the @CareQualityComm rated our Gender Identity Development Service as ‘Good’, but following its inspection in October, it has now rated the service ‘Inadequate’. We would like to say sorry to patients for the length of time they are waiting to be seen, which was a critical factor in arriving at this rating. We know the difficulty this wait is causing them and their families. We agree with the CQC that the growth in referrals has exceeded the capacity of the service.

Read a full statement, along with a video to the young people we support: tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/…[/quote]
Cowards.

GIDS rated ‘inadequate’ by CQC