Graham Norton “as if there are trans armies coming over the hills”

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like Graham Norton, this disappointed me in the Times today. I find it so patronising with regards those who have a stake in the debate on protecting sex based rights, and worryingly he is justifying the TRA aggression on the basis that this is how you get progress???

No, Bandon in north cork, which is only a main road drive from Limerick.

Ah ok. Thank you! As you say, it's beside the point.

I think Graham and Elliott Page would make a great power couple. Two dashing men out on the town, come on Graham put your money where your mouth is.

He is just another faux naive fool saying whatever will cover his own arse and not rattle the foundations of his pedestal.

I only read the article because the summary mentioned cancel culture so I thought he was going to be one of the brave ones...
Nope he’s basically telling all the women to “calm down, dear” isn’t he, and you know, if it’s getting ugly and that’s what TRA have to do to achieve their agenda, so be it.

Really how dare he.

It is the puffiest of puff pieces though, dyslek. If Norton had said he didn’t want to say anything on the issue you can be fairly certain the journo would have complied and left it out to keep him happy.

Graham - go and fight for gay rights in countries where you can be stoned/executed/jailed for this. Why not? Not so glam and glitzy for you eh?

Keep your nose and pathetically ignorant opinions on woman’s rights to yourself.

You're a comedian, Graham. Anything to say about heterosexual men who claim to be lesbians and demand that women refer to themselves as cervix-havers?

No? What a surprise.

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It is the puffiest of puff pieces though, dyslek. If Norton had said he didn’t want to say anything on the issue you can be fairly certain the journo would have complied and left it out to keep him happy.

I do think that very out celebrities must be pressurised not to keep quiet (as Graham Linehan says, basically everyone who keep their mouth shut is GC and it wont only be our side that has realised that).

Factor in to that his strand of celebrity is very precarious, he need to appeal to a trendy youth audience, genderism is never going to effect him personaly, and its unlikely he gives a shit about women.

Not everyone is brave and admirable, which is why we should make the most of the few that are.

Reminds me of when Crispin Blunt said similar when self ID was scrapped. He said 'strident' women groups provoked transactivists to act the way they do.

Rape threats, death threats, threats to shatter our jaws in curb stomps, threats to burn down houses, spamming a twitter thread for children with graphic porn, the racism towards black women, the homophobia thrown at lesbians...all our fault for having the absolute nerve to defend our hard won existing rights, for not wanting our spaces opened up to all males, for wanting to not be intimately examined by males against our will. But sure, we're the bad guys that just need to calm down.

I'd never fucking dream of trying to get what I want by threatening sexual violence to anyone. That's not how decent, civil people behave, and the last place men who think it's fine to threaten women in that way should be is in women and girl's confined safe spaces.

Oh for the male privilege not to have to care about this issue and to bask in the woke cookies garnered from displaying your publicly acceptable prejudice.

You won't care Graham Norton, because I'm a woman, but you have just lost a tonne of my respect.

Fucking hell. I really would have expected better. He normally seems intelligent and sympathetic.

I do think men have just lost all awareness of the idea that women are physically vulnerable and need some protections from men. Many men I know seem oblivious to the notion. As do some women.

I didn’t expect better - I assumed he would be if that opinion, but through the was just keeping his mouth shut. I guess he is selling something and wanted to get his profile up?

I think there are quite a few men without skin in the game weighing into this. They haven't taken the time to consider it from the perspective of women and gut instinct is to support minority rights.

People who haven't delved very deep probably see trans rights as the equivalent struggle to gay rights. Arty Morty on YouTube does a good job of dissecting this and pointing out the differences.

Tiny! They outnumber women in some (many) technology workplaces

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Tiny! They outnumber women in some (many) technology workplaces

Really?? Wow, that actually hadn't occurred to me even with all the discussions here about recording sex and/or gender on HR databases. I'd kind of lazily assumed that in the real grown-up world of work (i.e. not Twitter or sixth form college), they really would be a tiny minority. Wow, that has huge implications then for the correct recording of sex on HR systems and thereby in equality stats. We're going to get a very skewed idea of progress for women in typically male sectors (Apologies for being so slow to wake up.to this)

Judging by the number of outspoken middle-aged transwomen I've met over the last 5 years, they are hardly a tiny minority! Although, I think it can also sometimes feel like an army because they are so much louder than everyone else.

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Some gay people may feel like that but I also know some straight men who have no regard for women's rights and support the trans community. And just because some members feel of the gay community feel a certain way doesn't mean that they all do. So bringing up someone's sexuality in this is unnecessary.

I hope that the way some gay people feel about women and trans rights isn't going to kick start a string of homophobic threads on here.

There's also the issue of disproportional impact. How many male rapists do you need in a women's prison for things to change for the women?

Well I for one am shocked that a gay man couldn’t care less about the safety and dignity of women, or about safeguarding children. Shocked.

You only have to look on twitter at the men most enthusiastically embracing trans allyship as a means to attack women to form a view of which types of men this appeals to.

I find myself wondering if he really said that or if it was a journalistic twisting of words/context given GN's reasonable human behaviour towards JKR. It seems odd to say and say there, when selling gin.

Or maybe he thinks it will drive us here to gin?

Or maybe he said it so half of MN would read an obscure article about his gin.

sandandso yes depressingly it is true and many don’t want actual women around - unless they are attractive young women that will coo over them. They also usually get the ‘women in [insert specific tech industry here]’ awards. The men are so used to being dominant they are oblivious to what is happening and speaking up would kill the women’s careers. It’s not every part of technology yet but increasing whilst the women leave.

I do think men have just lost all awareness of the idea that women are physically vulnerable and need some protections from men. Many men I know seem oblivious to the notion. As do some women.

I find even decent men rarely get it, unless they've been brought up in a household with a violent father. And yeah I've come some across young women who are equally deluded.

Soz - I've come across some young women

@Floisme IME it's especially the "decent men"! They wouldn't hurt a fly, so they can't imagine that anyone else would, and spend more energy being worried about being "tarred with the same brush" as the few baddies than on opening their eyes and ears to the things that happen to women and girls every day.