Can we discuss white , male priveledge,?

[malificent7]

How does it manifest?

I have a lovely friend who is white, male and priveledged and while he is an absolute gem, he genuinely is very naive about things in the workplace that holds us womwn bk such as age,experience and sexuality.
This mabifests as all the white males want him to get a permanent postion as they will have a lad to hang out with..old boys' network if you will. The office banter centeres around when is this getting a job?

It’s very difficult to know without an explanation of what the problems are.

I think being white means there are aspects of your life that are not made worse by your skin colour.

Does it? I think when people think of someone white and poor and uneducated, their whiteness is very much part of the package. There's a tendency to see them as thugs or white trash. They aren't related in any way to the advantages of being well off and white.

As for women and men and the differences there, that's a totally different kind of differentiation that's largely rooted in reproductive role. It's mechanisms are not as the same as the mechanisms of money and political influence.

Critical Theory is pretty useless, it imagines by giving an effect a name, it makes it solvable without identifying the mechanisms of the difference.

I think being white means there are aspects of your life that are not made worse by your skin colour.

Does it? I think when people think of someone white and poor and uneducated, their whiteness is very much part of the package. There's a tendency to see them as thugs or white trash.

Agreed - the ‘whiteness’ of the girl victims in the sex gang scandals - Rotherham et al - worked very much against them.

Their whiteness was used by the rapists to target the girls as easy prey and by the police to dismiss them as irrelevant/asking for it - plus the police didn’t want to be seen as racist.

Slight tangent - but this hurts black people too - part of the reason social workers didn’t intervene in the tragic Victoria Climbie case is because they didn’t want to be seen as racist / interfering in a different ‘culture’. Perhaps if poor Victoria was white - without the fears of racist/ cultural insensitivities - the authorities would have intervened.

Focusing on white privilege - will exacerbate this and reduce safeguarding for ALL children.

Agreed - the ‘whiteness’ of the girl victims in the sex gang scandals - Rotherham et al - worked very much against them.

Their whiteness was used by the rapists to target the girls as easy prey and by the police to dismiss them as irrelevant/asking for it - plus the police didn’t want to be seen as racist

Some of those girls also gave evidence to joutnalists, in police statements, and the courts that they'd been racially abused by the gangs.

I think the term privilege is a problem.

Women are disadvantaged by the power men have over us. Poc are disadvantaged by racism white people have. Woc are doublet disadvantaged.

We live in a developed country where there is more than enough money for everyone to live comfortably, if it was used fairly. The idea that people are privileged because they don’t suffer racism or misogyny is fucking rediclious. Not being a victim of either should be the bare fucking minimum any of us have rights to-world over it should be, there’s more than enough to go around- but especially in a developed country.

White men being blind to the realities women or poc live with isn’t privilege, it’s ignorance, misogyny and racism.

I often find that the concept of white privilege gets used to silence women- ‘ Karen’s’for example is just misogyny- the idea that as a white woman I should be great full I only have a very high likelihood of being raped, very high likelihood of never seeing my rapist prosecuted, very high chance of domestic violence and being murdered by a man, rather than the very very high likelihood woc face, is fucking rediclous. I often find the concept of privilege is used to silence women in this way, to shut us down and to divide women who could be standing together. I’ve heard white feminists accused of using fgm, as fgm mostly happen to woc, yet it happens solely to people who have a vagina doesn’t it? Moc calling out white feminist for that or for higher rates of sexual violence woc face appear to miss that glaringly obvious point.

Imho for a world that has v more than enough for everyone there are only a small % who have real privilege. Us scrambling over the term means no one addresses that. How women are disadvantaged by men is based on the power they hold over us. From my limited white stand point poc seem to be disadvantaged by our racism and the harm that causes. White men aren’t privileged for not being subjected to either- that makes it sounds like they get extra for being white and a man, they get basic rights not extra, we get much much less. Making them privileged for this makes it sound like we are the norm, what we get is ok. Imho that serves to benefit the truly privileged minority at the top of the pyramid, while leaving us blind to that.