Request please for links lost on deleted thread (to get information links only- not a taat)

[LadyInParis]

Information links request from the ‘Picture’ thread that was just deleted..

Hi, this is my first post but a lovely poster sent me some links re trans information and I wanted to read the information later. The thread was deleted so I didn’t get the chance to read it. @Datun if you see this please could you reply with the links if you don’t mind? I’d like the information you did kindly post for me. I appreciate if you can spare the time to re post them here please :)

Goodness. I can't keep up with all these thread deletions.

LadyInParis this thread will help you understand what we’ve been discussing on FWR for some time now and why we’re wary, and that there is a pattern of MN deleting whole threads for sometimes no reason we’re aware of;

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?

TheLadyOfShallnott

Ah I see. Okie dokie!

And to everybody who has put links and information, thank you so so much. You’re all really kind and it’s very helpful. I will be able to add more to the thread when I have more knowledge via these links and your responses. I do want to understand. I will do some reading and are a must also! And my macdonalds was deliciously unhealthy, yum 😋

ItsLateHumpty

LadyInParis I read some of your story flowers I hope writing it out was more cathartic than hurtful for you.

Thank you. It was hard but cathartic yes. It helps in some ways, that although painful to think about again, it does let some of the pain and anger out so yes it did help. Thank you

I think I might post it on here, as my experience with males in positions of authority and how it can be abused. Even with the people meant to protect you. But that’ll be tomorrow I have reading to do now (thank you) and then sleep to be had.

Datun is awesome and very patient, so I hope you stick around and enjoy the learning along with your maccas and brew

She is indeed! And thank you I shall stick around :)

Oh my god

Safe to say I did some reading today, just now.

Thank you for the links everyone posted, I started with the ones that I needed to know more about first, and will continue at some point soon with the rest but I do thank all for the links.

Need to let this soak in for a little while. I’m feeling more than a bit upset and shaken to say the least.

Particularly the Karen White thing.

But I did get through two full links of information and one page of a link to a thread full of information I have screen shot. I need to finish that full thread and I think there are four more links to information left for me to read. For now I am just so I think I’ll let it sink in for now. It’s shaken all my beliefs and everything I thought I knew about the world and myself and I’m finding it a little hard to process ..

Thank you @Datun

And the other posters too I have read some of yours too and will read all.

I don’t understand. Am I stupid or something? Is my fear of being mean or transphobic skewed so badly that I just closed my eyes to it? I don’t understand. I think I am disproportionately upset at the moment I am sorry. I have borderline personality disorder, other mental health issues so I can be overly emotional I apologise. I’ll go eat or something and try to get a grip!

Definitely get something to eat.

What you're feeling right now is normal. Most of us have been there, done that.

It took mumsnetters years to get through to me on this. Now, months after I finally properly changed my mind, I have moments where I read a newspaper article and I don't know what shocks me more, the article or that I used to think everything was all okay!

It's like realising Father Christmas doesn't exist.

It's like realising Father Christmas doesn't exist.

Wait what?

Is my fear of being mean or transphobic

This is the thing lady

A lot of the women on here aren’t afraid of that anymore...so it scares those of us who still waver

I keep wondering about the role of Coronation Street in the British woman's psyche.

There were episodes devoted to the showdown between petite, submissive Hayley Cropper and loud, aggressive female colleagues at the knicker factory over whether Hayley could use the women's toilets.

The colleagues were portrayed as ridiculous, unkind, shrill, uneducated in their objections. I know that had an impact on me as a young viewer.

It's like realising Father Christmas doesn't exist.

What the actual...?!!!😱😱

Well, now you all understand the anguish you've put me through!

Reindeer cruelty is what it is mate

Well done for all that reading lady youve been awfully busy, its a lot to take in

Thanks all. I can’t explain how I feel, it’s hard to articulate at the moment. It doesn’t help that I can’t seem to separate it in terms of is my upset genuine or is it my mental health or something. Is it a normal reaction or is it me exaggerating in my head? I really do feel upset. I think because now I know that I can no longer shut my eyes nor sit and defend the things that I thought were the right and good things to defend. That are not nearly as simple as I had thought them to be. Not even defend, just my personal beliefs on it. I can no longer have those, nor would I want to, and that isn’t easy to know.

think because now I know that I can no longer shut my eyes nor sit and defend the things that I thought were the right and good things to defend

They are still right and good things to defend, the vast majority of us...well all, want people to be happy and to present how they want to and thats worth defending

Its just its not as simple as it used to be...it was very clear cut and now it really isn’t

A lot of the women on here aren’t afraid of that anymore...so it scares those of us who still waver

I don’t know that I would say I would be scared going forward by any stretch after what I just read. And that was just the tiny tip of the knowledge. But before I had any of this information, I was scared to hurt people and their feelings on this issue because I don’t like to do that. To anyone for any reason. But this isn’t like not being racist or homophobic is it. It’s so very different.

But this isn’t like not being racist or homophobic is it. It’s so very different

I agree

I used to think It was though RufustheSniggeringReindeer
I think that was the issue, and the one thing that my mum really drilled into me was everyone is the same. It’s hard to know I’ll have to pull that apart to an extent. But as you said we all want to be kind still etc but it’s a little more difficult in this instance and so I can still be kind and stuff, just with more knowledge in order I can protect myself and other women if I can. @Datun that one about the different types of dysphoria was brilliant and informative, I read top to toe and screen shot the things I thought important. As well as the one that talked about the Karen white incident, the fair play for women one. From @FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack, thank you. I also screen shot points I wanted from that article. And one page of the Mumsnet thread link. Thank you for that one @Winesalot again I screen shot some from there too and will finish the full thread at some point. (I do read and take it information fast it’s murder when I have a good book and it’s gone in two days ) but it’ll be helpful now because I can get lots of information fast and catch up quicker

Here’s one example that I would like to add to the thread as it’s relevant now as it was then and it’s more light hearted

Referring to this post which I read after the gender dysphoria article from the poster herself, which impacted and really punched in the information I had just read, so was very helpful