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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Request please for links lost on deleted thread (to get information links only- not a taat)

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LadyInParis · 11/12/2020 16:44

Information links request from the ‘Picture’ thread that was just deleted..

Hi, this is my first post but a lovely poster sent me some links re trans information and I wanted to read the information later. The thread was deleted so I didn’t get the chance to read it. @Datun if you see this please could you reply with the links if you don’t mind? I’d like the information you did kindly post for me. I appreciate if you can spare the time to re post them here please :)

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gardenbird48 · 11/12/2020 17:07

that was a disappointment - I only popped out for a bit. Nice to have met you Lady, glad you've got your first thread started.

I would be interested to see Datun's links again as well - she writes good quality posts.

gardenbird48 · 11/12/2020 17:12

hi @mnhq, I notice that you are just reviewing the previous thread - would you be able to consider reinstating it as it did contain some very useful information and discussion and I am honestly mystified about how any allegations of smearing and mocking could be justified.

picklemewalnuts · 11/12/2020 17:13

Was the thread about a taser? Because I posted on it but it hasn't ever appeared in my 'threads I'm on/watching', so I lost it.

I'd be unhappy if I thought some threads were 'unlisted' so to speak.

picklemewalnuts · 11/12/2020 17:22

I've found it. But it appears far lower down than it should. Presumably there were posts on it more recent than yesterday at 11.30am?

Winesalot · 11/12/2020 17:23

Was this one from yesterday written by Rhona Hotchkiss, retired prison governor of them?

www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/resources/we-need-open-discussion-welfare-women-prison?fbclid=IwAR3jinUDqlSkA3NlnNddaSQ_YfwMfYsggIDnHaSK7x6hHzxWEFbHNvvxRgw

FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 11/12/2020 17:36

Until Datun sees this, I saw a couple of links posted

Here's Fair Play for Women's campaign about women's safety in prisons
fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/

And here's an article on the banker mentioned who goes by Pippa or Philip on different days and won a women in business award. There is a police officer who is gender fluid and does similar but I can't remember their name or force to do article links.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anger-over-women-s-business-honour-for-cross-dressing-banker-h0gv3l7nw

heathspeedwell · 11/12/2020 17:52

Someone posted a brilliant link to a US MD on Twitter who was talking about puberty blockers - does anyone please know where I can find it? sadly I didn't make a note of his name.

Winesalot · 11/12/2020 18:02

heathspeedwell

Was it something like this which discussed the phenomenon of the teenaged girls transitioning? I know this is about Abigail Shier's book, but it might be interesting in exploring why teenage girls are transitioning vs male transitioners.

twitter.com/will_malone/status/1337280097724723202?s=20

LadyInParis · 11/12/2020 18:03

It was the taser one

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heathspeedwell · 11/12/2020 18:06

Brilliant, thanks very much Winesalot.

Sorry for derail LadyInParis!

Datun · 11/12/2020 18:23

This was the link to show you the different types of gender dysphoria. You asked how men transitioning were different from women transitioning.

The man who wrote the typology about the two types of men transitioning is Ray Blanchard. Who co-wrote this article.

4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/

As an aside, one of the reasons there is sometimes two wildly different viewpoints about transwomen is very likely down to the two types. And who you happen to know who fits one, or other, of the types.

Datun · 11/12/2020 18:24

[quote FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack]Until Datun sees this, I saw a couple of links posted

Here's Fair Play for Women's campaign about women's safety in prisons
fairplayforwomen.com/campaigns/prisons/

And here's an article on the banker mentioned who goes by Pippa or Philip on different days and won a women in business award. There is a police officer who is gender fluid and does similar but I can't remember their name or force to do article links.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anger-over-women-s-business-honour-for-cross-dressing-banker-h0gv3l7nw[/quote]
Yes, thank you. I don't think I added a link to that. Cheers.

LadyInParis · 11/12/2020 19:07

heathspeedwell no worries!

And Datun thank you so much, this is the information I do want to know as I find it so so confusing. Currently out shopping (clothes of mine are practically threadbare as I am not a fashion type!) and now macdonalds and home. Classy I am! Grin
Then will have a tea and a read of it. I appreciate it

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Datun · 11/12/2020 19:10

No worries. I'm always happy to answer questions. You have to understand, we get a lot of trolls on here. And sometimes not easy to sort the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

LadyInParis · 11/12/2020 19:12

As for the trigger of the taser the poster was spot on I had a good think about it and realised just how much anger I keep inside because it relates to other trauma too, and how easily this anger of mine subconsciously just spills out when I see or hear something triggering. I did spend a while writing my story which was hard, posted and then the thread was gone. I have saved it as I didn’t want to write it all again but yes that was tough to even sit and write. All for nothing when it went poof! But such is life I suppose! Is everyone ok after the hoo haa?

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RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 11/12/2020 19:15

Hey lady

Congrats on your thread

Hopefully they will reinstate the other threads

And i really should have said how horrific your story was on the original thread, the thread took a turn and i wimped out so sorry about that 💐

LadyInParis · 11/12/2020 19:23

Oh, now things are making more sense Datun I didn’t know you got a lot of trolls on this board. I mean I know Mumsnet gets trolled and daily mail and other shite but I didn’t know it was a lot on here because just why? I don’t understand the reason people would do that. Women have things hard already so why troll and take away safe spaces online for discussion? I really don’t like stuff like that. I think I’m too sensitive maybe? Anyway thank you. I appreciate and will read and let you know what I think, if that’s ok? If you’re interested to know

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LadyInParis · 11/12/2020 19:24

RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Thank you! Did you get time to read my story? I posted and all went poof I thought no one saw it. What happened? All was ok, I posted my story and then it was gone, did something happen when I was writing or something?

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TheLadyOfShallnott · 11/12/2020 19:37

It comes as a surprise that some do not realise this board is trolled.

It is deeply unfortunate that some do not see indignation for what it is and choose to read something into comments that are not there.

There are not many places where we can relay our concerns and yet the few places there are attract those who want to derail and get threads deleted.

It is a terrible pity. But absolutely not a surprise.

I hope the links prove informative.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2020 19:38

Police officer is Callum/Abi

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533014/amp/Scotland-Yard-officer-Britain-s-gender-fluid-cop.html

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 11/12/2020 19:38

Ive written many posts that have just disappeared when the thread is deleted

Its very frustrating, just bad timing i guess

I did see your story earlier i think, about the 4 policemen attacking you?

LadyInParis · 11/12/2020 21:27

TheLadyOfShallnott

I didn’t mean it’s surprising that it is trolled, as all of Mumsnet is unfortunately. I just felt surprise at the fact it’s trolled often. It was my initial thought that’s all. Not doubt or shock or whatever, just mild surprise that it’s more trolled, a fleeting thought and one I chose to share as I was having a discussion with Datun and it did help me understand in the context of the other thread. It’s just how I felt as I read it, and never gave it another thought.

I don’t know if the rest of your comment was directed to me, or was a comment in general, but as I understood it Mumsnet only delete threads that are extremely toxic or upsetting? To more than one person, meaning a lot of reports from a lot of people? So they had their reasons and I trust their judgement. If people report, other than trolls obviously, then they report for a reason and Mumsnet weigh up the reports and in few cases delete. This was my understanding. They don’t delete willy nilly as I am aware. So it’s gone now, you can start a new discussion if you so wish. You’re allowed to do that too. I think it is a fair system and run quite well. From what I have seen at least. In my opinion.

As for the rest I can’t comment as I was accused of derailing and I don’t feel like getting into another defending myself thread. I’d like things to be friendly and informative. Some posters suggested I come on the board and have a look around, some suggested I post a thread, all very nice and welcoming. I wanted the information lost in the deletion that Datun kindly linked for me. It was given and appreciated, as was some extra info from other posters. Which I thank you all for. If you have information you want to share feel free to do so, or not, as you wish. But I’d like to just be able to inform myself in this thread since I clearly have a one sided over emotional set of opinions (my own words!) and i would like to change that.

I hope the links prove informative - Thank you, I hope so too!

RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Yes it was that one, with the rape trigger etc. It was hard to write the whole thing as it really was horrible and traumatic, but I wanted to explain why I had been so triggered and angry, as it was a horrific experience, so that people can understand that the photo was a huge trigger for me, and as one poster had said, my reaction was a perfect illustration of just why it is such an inappropriate photo, and that I understand I came in angry and was sorry for it. I wanted people to know why, and soon as I finished the whole process of writing it out the thread went. I have it saved so I need not type that out again so there’s that!

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Winesalot · 11/12/2020 22:28

And this one.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

ItsLateHumpty · 11/12/2020 22:33

LadyInParis I read some of your story Flowers I hope writing it out was more cathartic than hurtful for you.

Datun is awesome and very patient, so I hope you stick around and enjoy the learning along with your maccas and Brew

TheLadyOfShallnott · 11/12/2020 22:35

paris

It was a comment in general.

If I comment to a specific person or poster I will say so.

I have no need to start a new thread. I was on the previous 3 or 4 on that particular subject which were trolled or derailed and subsequently deleted. It happens. A lot.

But to start another thread on that subject would be folly.