Amnesty “disappointed” by Keira Bell verdict

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www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/amnesty-international-uk-and-liberty-joint-statement-puberty-blockers?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=awareness_education&utm_content=news

Puberty blockers reversible according to them

Eresh so according to “Sue” four children killed themselves in 2017
? Is this just completely made up?! Google is none the wiser

the morons - this was not about whether or not they are reversible - it's about the capacity to understand the long term consequences and then consent to them.

Issues of consent are central to the law, judges make decisions on this all the time - they know what they are doing.

I enjoyed the twitter reply which said that we should put all children on PBs until they have determined what their gender is. Can't see a problem with this.

Always the suicides. A certain fox killing lawyer is at it again this morning...

twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1334760941901271040?s=21

Why are they so determined to terrify kids into thinking they might die if they don't commit to a particular pathway? Many of these kids are autistic. How is this kind of hysterical reaction helpful?

Amnesty are getting slaughtered on their Facebook page too which is heartening to see!!

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Some TRA in the replies is spamming the Norwegian study.

Eresh so according to “Sue” four children killed themselves in 2017? Is this just completely made up?! Google is none the wiser

As she said on Newsnight the other night, all their knowledge about suicide attempts and feelings are anecdotal so no one can challenge it

No responsible person or organisation would put a child's suicide down to one cause.

Interesting. Huge if true:

"Aren’t you funded by Arcus, founded by billionaire medical/pharma heir, Jo. Stryker? Does that explain why former prisoner of conscience charity is campaigning for chemical castration + lucrative lifelong drugs/surgery for children?"

twitter.com/TracyDempsey/status/1334755973051916296?s=20

objectnow.org/all-roads-lead-to-arcus/

Sunset I suspected as much - something like that. Bilek has done some excellent work.
Eresh I think newsnight was the first time I’ve seen her challenged over the suicide claims. I’ve noticed people on SM robustly challenging it and asking for stats

I think this will wake a lot of people up. The pure disregard for women was one thing - but children now too? Death of Amnesty? It’s almost as if the worlds Dictators and despots for together and planned how to get rid of that meddling human rights organisation by destroying it from the inside.

It does feel as if they've been infiltrated. It was such a great organisation for so many years.

It interests me that, despite the fact that so many feminist voices have been banned from Twitter, there are still dozens of dissenting tweets every time one of these organisations says something like this.

I'm so angry I used to support Amnesty... I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THEM

Amnesty went bad years ago. It's bound to be to do with revenue streams. I wang on about this, but they've been promoting prostitution as a 'human right' for years. The pro pimp policies were what prompted me to cancel my direct debit. It's been downhill all the way.

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Gender non conforming children should have the same safeguarding as other children

Informed consent matters, it’s not discrimination

Children’s rights are human rights

..and Amnesty are hiding some of the replies. I wonder whether that is?

*why

@yourhairiswinterfire

So many professional organisations disappointed that the high court doesn't work like Twitter and tumblr. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so alarming.

This!

I've been thinking a lot about why all of these organisations (e.g. Amnesty, Liberty) have ended up like this and I think it must be down to who they are hiring. My theory is that most of the people getting jobs at these organisations are young socially minded graduates from privileged family backgrounds. The kinds of young people who are financially secure enough to go after lower paid third sector jobs and socially minded enough to choose this over the private sector. I suspect they've ended up with a hyper-homogenous talent pool and groupthink has taken over. This is what leads them to tweet things that sound utterly absurd to most of the rest of society and have zero self-awareness of how this is contributing to their rapidly dwindling support.

Well the tweet replies were heartening - and very enlightening, I must read the article on the Pharma heir when I've finished work to-day.

@carlaCox

I've been thinking a lot about why all of these organisations (e.g. Amnesty, Liberty) have ended up like this and I think it must be down to who they are hiring. My theory is that most of the people getting jobs at these organisations are young socially minded graduates from privileged family backgrounds. The kinds of young people who are financially secure enough to go after lower paid third sector jobs and socially minded enough to choose this over the private sector. I suspect they've ended up with a hyper-homogenous talent pool and groupthink has taken over. This is what leads them to tweet things that sound utterly absurd to most of the rest of society and have zero self-awareness of how this is contributing to their rapidly dwindling support.

Jolyon Maugham describes the sort of people now running Amnesty and Liberty here:

We tend in England, especially those who are white, middle class, privately educated and of privilege, to talk with meretricious authority about subjects we in fact know little about.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1334765267101093888

(I thought he was talking about himself when I first read that, but his next tweet says that he wasn't privately educated or from a privileged background.)

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Amnesty went bad years ago. It's bound to be to do with revenue streams. I wang on about this, but they've been promoting prostitution as a 'human right' for years. The pro pimp policies were what prompted me to cancel my direct debit. It's been downhill all the way.

yes were the pimp supporting policies brought in by Amnesty Canada? It was only twitter that alterted me to Amensty's all out hatred of women. When they post about that women in Iran I nearly throw up. Their hypocrisy is UNBELIVEABLE!

Would these drugs have undergone trials in animals?

Up to a few years ago I suppoted them was a emergency letter writer. Held an annual xmas wriiting cards to prisoners party. Because my parents being aresey activists in South Africa were the kind of people likely to need Amnesty's advocacy. I could identify easily with other prisoners of conscience if only they had stuck to that. There international cachet must be rock bottom.

On the topic of trans kids committing suicide, here’s why I’m so sceptical that four children killed themselves recently. When a child commits suicide it’s usually a very big deal - there is normally an inquest and an investigation. I remember reading stories in the paper about poor kids who commit suicide after being worried about exams. It’s something the press are likely to report on. So how could it be that four trans children commit suicide in one year and that’s not even noted in a paper? I would have thought this would be major news, like the death of Layla Alcorn. Sorry if I appear horrible by doubting this - it’s just I’m confused at how these particular children could be killing themselves and it’s just not reported about.

Haha OldCrone it really is a topsy turvy world and even if he isn’t from that background he espouses the same mentality he derides.

Transgender Trend on the suicide figures.

www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/