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Amnesty “disappointed” by Keira Bell verdict

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Siameasy · 03/12/2020 20:05

www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/amnesty-international-uk-and-liberty-joint-statement-puberty-blockers?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=awareness_education&utm_content=news

Puberty blockers reversible according to them

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Melroses · 03/12/2020 21:13

@Stripesnomore

I don’t understand how this is connected to Amnesty. Don’t they deal with political prisoners?
They are very much into deciding who should have their political rights removed these days.

(A: Difficult Women)

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/12/2020 21:20

Back in the day Liberty supported PIE.

Kettlingur · 03/12/2020 21:21

It's interesting how many organisations have been captured, though. I used to also work for a NGO that had to do with affordable housing. They are doing gender awareness workshops now.

Siameasy · 03/12/2020 21:27

I’m sensing a sea change, Keira has had such a huge impact with her court case. We now have something concrete to hold up as it were. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been threatened online for voicing concerns about children...I’m sure many here have had the same.

I’m reading Amnesty’s Facebook page and most people are fuming

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RedToothBrush · 03/12/2020 23:15

Given the history of the development of human rights this is utterly depressing to read.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation

Amnesty should particularly look up the bit about the what happened after WWII.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code

The ten points of the Nuremberg Code
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments":

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

I'd like to know why exactly Amnesty are disappointment by the ruling in the context of the above.

OldeMagick · 03/12/2020 23:21

Thanks SunsetBeech another one for my 'we've got the receipts' collection Grin

AbsintheFriends · 03/12/2020 23:39

I hate the way this is always sold as young trans people (children) being 'denied access to health care', as if their asthma inhalers are being withheld and the GP's receptionist immediately puts the phone down when they ring for an appointment for a sore throat.

'Healthcare' seems to be a very Orwellian euphemism for on-demand access to unlicensed, experimental drugs and irreversible surgery on healthy bodies.

Mollyollydolly · 03/12/2020 23:55

They are getting slaughtered on twitter. I only noticed this week how all the usual suspects don't use the word 'children.' It's all trans youth, young people. The way they manipulate language is appalling. Apparently 'children' is as bad as 'woman.' All smoke and mirrors to hide they're talking about medicalising children with unproven medical treatment paths.

RedToothBrush · 04/12/2020 00:06

All smoke and mirrors to hide they're talking about medicalising children with unproven medical treatment paths

Unethical Human Experimentation on Children.

Even you are sanitising the language.

Siameasy · 04/12/2020 00:23

“Trans voices”
“T”
“Top surgery”

We see you

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OvaHere · 04/12/2020 00:33

This statement is quite outrageous. Not even the slightest attempt at measure or balance. It also contains some quite blatant lies.

Saving grace is they seem to be getting an absolute pasting on both FB and Twitter. I checked the hidden replies and there's about 4 or 5 - I reckon whoever is running the account gave up when they realised it was futile.

Apollo440 · 04/12/2020 00:51

Enjoy

mobile.twitter.com/AmnestyUK/status/1334570997673025540

OldeMagick · 04/12/2020 03:17

@Sexnotgender

Amnesty are a bunch of cunts.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Although I'd also add Liberty.
highame · 04/12/2020 07:02

@Defaultname

I just mis-read one of their tweets as appealing to "Trans' Supreme Leader" rather than "Iran's".

Give it a couple of years,mind, and who knows?

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Jintyfer · 04/12/2020 07:50

@testing987654321

They don't know what they're talking about.
Couldn't have put it better myself. 👍
Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/12/2020 08:21

So many professional organisations disappointed that the high court doesn't work like Twitter and tumblr. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so alarming.

This.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 04/12/2020 08:21

I don’t think Amnesty could sink lower. Liberty, I always had my doubts about.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 04/12/2020 08:25

I think this will wake a lot of people up. The pure disregard for women was one thing - but children now too? Death of Amnesty? It’s almost as if the worlds Dictators and despots for together and planned how to get rid of that meddling human rights organisation by destroying it from the inside.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/12/2020 08:27

They are getting slaughtered on twitter. I only noticed this week how all the usual suspects don't use the word 'children.' It's all trans youth, young people.

When they are talking about "agency", Gillick competence etc, yes. When they're talking about suicide it's a different matter, as you might expect.

Amnesty “disappointed” by Keira Bell verdict
ThatIsNotMyUsername · 04/12/2020 08:29

I hope those who were cheering this all on (Harry Potter snivelling babies, I’m looking at you) start using their brains and voices and questioning this utter nonsense.

carlaCox · 04/12/2020 08:35

Just read that Amnesty tweet and I am genuinely shocked:

Young trans people should not have their access to healthcare restricted simply because they are trans.

Have all the grown ups left the Amnesty building now? Surely, as a large UK registered charity, they cannot tweet out totally misleading shite about something as serious as a court ruling? Who do you complain to about misconduct from charities? The charities commission?

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 04/12/2020 08:36

Healthcare huh? So they can’t get doctors appointments if they have flu, operations if they need a kidney transplant, dental appointments, corona jabs...?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/12/2020 08:39

Young trans people should not have their access to healthcare restricted simply because they are trans.

Are non-trans young people being allowed to "pause" their puberty if they don't want to go through it, then?

Because that's what their dishonest statement implies.

namechange9357 · 04/12/2020 08:50

A court finds that gender dysphoric / trans children are being subjected to lower quality medical care than the rest of the population, and it's the transphobes who care about it?

Interesting.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 04/12/2020 08:54

I think there’s caring and ‘caring’. Some care about the damage to the individual and society - some only care about the shiny cause (where does all the lobby money come from?)