Keira

[YouNoob]

Live tweets from Belstaffie here:

mobile.twitter.com/Belstaffie/status/1333716720176033793

From the Janice Turner article above:

This quiet, reserved young woman, now 23, took on the NHS and publicly funded activist groups such as Stonewall and Mermaids — which successfully lobbied for medical interventions in ever younger children — and won.

Who did mermaids say was supporting them against Kiera Bell?

@barnardos
@NSPCC
@ncbtweets
@childrensociety

Evan Davies is a numpty.
Safeguarding needs to exist for every child whether they want it to or not.

It was ignoring this that led in part to the Rotherham scandal and the idea that it was fine if young teen girls where having sex with multiple older men because after all they said they wanted to when asked about it the time. ( except they had been groomed and coerced and actually looking back felt totally abandoned by those who should have protected them)

Huge thanks and congratulations to everyone who worked so hard for this. Shame on all those who who want to continue experiments on children.

Defaultname absolutely! (Sorry phone won't let me quote you)

Wtf was Jolyon talking about 'we will find out if taking a child abroad for treatment will result in child being taken into care'?!

I don't think decisions to take a child into care are made in such a black and white, tick box kind of way... but I would hope that taking a child abroad for illegal treatment or buying them drugs off the dark web would be child protection concerns in anyone's book?

My scientist friend made a good point. He said he is fed up of the ' PB are experimental' argument as they are not even that. If there were being used as an experiment there would be a proper research design, a control group and data and analysis. But, as this case made clear, there was none of that. PB are not an experiment. This has been more like the Wild West.

Evan Davis is a nasty piece of work whenever he handles this issue. I think he believes that gay people owe a debt to the LGBT+ grouping and so whenever he perceives that the grouping is under threat he defends. That's shit behaviour for anyone in his position to have, and to make things worse he never seems to interrogate whether the narrative he's been told is factual. In other words, when it's LGBT+ has stops behaving as a journalist.

Who did mermaids say was supporting them against Kiera Bell?

@barnardos
@NSPCC
@ncbtweets
@childrensociety

I find this so disgusting. These are children's charities, safeguarding is at the core of what they do. Yet they have been too lazy to actually look into this issue and to consider what it means. I mean, if there is a movement that actively and aggressively tries to shut down any research around the group they claim to represent, that refuses to allow any questioning, that refuses to allow any therapeutic treatment, but insists on a one sized fits all approach to every child - surely, surely, that raises questions about the movement?

Good thread with links to all StillTish's blog posts on NSPCC and childline.

NSPCC A set of blogs that may help join some dots www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4094795-NSPCC-A-set-of-blogs-that-may-help-join-some-dots

Lovely to hear Keira Bell plea for less homophobia, less misogyny, better mental health support, more tolerance, more professionalism.

Thank you Keira for bringing this judicial review.

Informed consent is difficult and often glossed over in many medical scenarios where doctors believe they are doing the right thing. However, we do have a right to full information and to consent or decline based on how we perceive this information. Medical staff have a duty to ensure we are fully informed of risks, benefits and alternatives.

For future reference, here are the two The Times pieces made permanently available:

Janice Turner writes about Keira Bell
Lucy Bannerman writes about Keira Bell

[quote Igneococcus]Two articles in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/994f7e22-33ec-11eb-a008-76ae1654e866?shareToken=d43ce5b5ce086c710253f4535176da71

and:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/98c03eba-33f1-11eb-8874-74fdd66018b3?shareToken=9837d976ab896e26e3cfcb5a3f63f54e[/quote]
Blistering articles from Janice Turner and Lucy Bannerman!

It's wonderful to have had the (lack of) evidence so thoroughly scrutinised, allowing journalists at last to speak openly and say it as it is.

I hope this falling domino that will set the whole lot toppling over.

I just saw her on the news. I'm glad of the outcome but feel very sorry for her, it's too late for the damage to be undone.

Yes, jess, that clip was really heart-rending. 'Too late' is a horrible phrase to hear. I hope this can be a new start for her, and wish her all the very best going forward.

@lostintheday

My scientist friend made a good point. He said he is fed up of the ' PB are experimental' argument as they are not even that. If there were being used as an experiment there would be a proper research design, a control group and data and analysis. But, as this case made clear, there was none of that. PB are not an experiment. This has been more like the Wild West.

Spot on. And what are they supposed to 'treat' exactly? Certainly not gender dysphoria if close to 100% then go on to cross-sex hormones, and how many of those kids would desist without PBs? It's a complete mess.

I know I’m probably grasping at straws here but is there not some journalistic code of conduct that stops them writing absolute shite?

Lovely to hear Keira Bell plea for less homophobia, less misogyny,

Interestingly not ‘and less transphobia’.

There's the Press Complaints Commission, Sex?
www.ipso.co.uk/

@Typesofcatalogue

Lovely to hear Keira Bell plea for less homophobia, less misogyny,

Interestingly not ‘and less transphobia’.

How so?

Fantastic couple of articles. Janice Turner telling Keira's story is heartbreaking.

@Typesofcatalogue

Lovely to hear Keira Bell plea for less homophobia, less misogyny,

Interestingly not ‘and less transphobia’.

Why?

What I find so amazing about this is that this is just basic Gillick competence stuff. Gillick competence requires understanding of the effects of a proposed medical intervention. It’s basic. How on earth did the Tavistock ever think otherwise? How did so many charities think otherwise? How did they go out to bat for uninformed consent?

The fuss the TRAs are making about this reveals the reality. They know perfectly well that these children aren’t Gillick competent and can’t give informed consent. Otherwise this judgment wouldn’t be a problem for them. The very fact that they see it as a problem gives them away.

@nauticant

Evan Davis is a nasty piece of work whenever he handles this issue. I think he believes that gay people owe a debt to the LGBT+ grouping and so whenever he perceives that the grouping is under threat he defends. That's shit behaviour for anyone in his position to have, and to make things worse he never seems to interrogate whether the narrative he's been told is factual. In other words, when it's LGBT+ has stops behaving as a journalist.

Must have a massive fucking blind spot when it comes to the L and the female Bs though!

You don’t think it’s an odd omission?

@Typesofcatalogue

You don’t think it’s an odd omission?

No.

@Typesofcatalogue

You don’t think it’s an odd omission?

No.

Why would it be? Keira was talking about the prejudices that have caused harm to her personally and other reidentified women like her, not making a general list of all isms and phobias.