Woke staff revolt over Jordan Peterson book

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thepostmillennial.com/publishers-woke-staff-revolt-over-jordan-petersons-new-book

Isn't he regarded as transphobic for refusing to use compelled speech and warning of the consequences (and proven right by Yaniv). Seems like the woke at Random House publishing are appalled that their business is based on making a profit. Peterson may not be your glass of tea but he's hardly Goebals.

@Deliriumoftheendless

"They’re not going to acknowledge the reason they're doing it is for money“ says someone who maybe used to think book publishing was about curing cancer and bringing about world peace.

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Lol Bof

It's sad though. It came from a good place. Injustices still exist, fgs. It's just that everything has been catastrophised - for hot takes, afaics.

I've not got much time for Jordan Peterson, whose ideology lacks any real consistency other than "How the world would suit me."

The first article I read of his was probably one of the less contentious ones, of the "Young people today lack resilience and don't hold themselves accountable for their actions" calibre. There were a few decent points in there, a long with a fair bit of trite hyperbole. His take: We should be responsible for our own failings, no one owes us a reward.
The next article below, also by him: The tragedy of the poor oppressed incels and how women are becoming too picky. His take: If a man cannot find a woman who'll agree to have sex with him, it is not a matter of his character or even bad luck, incels do not need to suck it up and take responsibility for themselves, women just need to stop being so picky.
Since then, I've not found much which would exactly endear me to him.

However, the grown adults crying over this is shameful.

@Fromage

Why are all these woke types so against freedom of speech?

Because they're nasty little authoritarian bigots who don't believe that other people's ideas or opinions should be tolerated.

I'm in no way knowledgeable enough to defend Peterson, but I have heard him expand on the 'monogamy ' thing. It's more a societal view than for individuals, basically monogamy was the favoured system to prevent the high status males, chieftains, kings, etc establishing harems leaving a pool of trouble making low status males at the bottom. There are equal numbers of male and female and both sexes need to contribute to the upbringing.

So from an evo point of view, back in deep time, pair up and successfully reproduce and stop young men fighting for mating rights would have been the most successful strategy. And he believes the same instincts are with us today regardless of our modern lifestyles.

I think that's his argument anyway. It's been a while.

Never read any Peterson myself, but I find myself assuming that anyone who gets the folx that wound up probably has something worthwhile to say.

This was an interesting article though from Louise Perry from earlier this year:

The feminist case for Jordan Peterson

I came to mock the Canadian guru but stayed to respect the depth of his thought

I really hope that it is the Streisand effect. If it isn’t, it is the employer that bothers me not the employees. Why are employers selecting these people and then allowing them to carry on in this way? It is just ludicrous given how most people are treated at work.

I enjoyed 12 Rules for Life, will reread it before the sequel and then buy the sequel.

I hope he has recovered from his horrific diazepam withdrawal.

I disagree with a lot of what JP says, he's got a very traditional view of gender roles and religion. But I do appreciate that he encourages young men to take responsibility for their own actions and stop thinking the world owes them. For that, I think he's a net good in the world.

@DreadPirateLuna

I disagree with a lot of what JP says, he's got a very traditional view of gender roles and religion. But I do appreciate that he encourages young men to take responsibility for their own actions and stop thinking the world owes them. For that, I think he's a net good in the world.

Yes, I may find Peterson a bit trite and oversimplistic, but there's a certain delicious irony in the woke numpties personifying exactly the sort of "me, me, me wish the world is just sooooo unfair, make it so my world view is never challenged" attitudes Peterson offers a corrective to.

there's a certain delicious irony

So I gather...

Staffers Crying Over Jordan Peterson Book Cured By Forcing Them To Read Jordan Peterson Book

"It's like a miracle," said office assistant Xandy Dutheriadux. "I didn't realize how much of my time was spent on behaviors that aren't particularly useful-- such as whining and blaming others! It's time for me to get my house in order and refine my competence in order to achieve my goals! Thanks, Dr. Peterson!"

I have questions.

Doesn't Peterson eat only steak and salt? I hear he's been ill recently, can't imagine why.

How is he the figurehead of the white supremacy movement, I understand he's a bit of an arse sometimes but hadn't realised he was actually advocating an Aryan takeover?

And lastly, have the staff recovered enough to issue a list of approved authors so that Random House can avoid this kind of terrible literal genocide happening ever again?

@Fromage

Why are all these woke types so against freedom of speech?

Control.

Agree with DreadPirateLuna on Peterson. He's awful on women but quite good on young men, although him becoming a valium addict when his books were all about learning how to be confident and less anxious was rather ironic, especially as his benzo addiction was somehow special and different according to his family and fans.. I think Suzanna Moore mentioned that in the Speccie and got a pile on from his fans.
I wouldn't have known he had another book out (I bought 12 rules) without the media fretting though, much as they brought Abigail Shrier's book and JK Rowling's latest Strike book to my attention.
The weepers and stroppers are both immature and silly.

Don't know much about him.

Was joining to say what has already been said- mein kampf is in print isn't it? Also Mao's 'little red book'. And etc etc

I mean there's a line somewhere probably but I don't think this chap is eg telling people how to build bombs and then go out and use them or something.

@7Days

I quite like Peterson at times. Other times I disagree - I manage my trauma about it.

Especially these days, people need to hear the bleeding obvious.

That's hardly the point though, is it.

The world is full of suffering and injustice. Some problems can't be solved. Some people can't agree how best to solve the ones that can.
Publishers will tackle all these big subjects, and there will be different staff members who have different triggers - don't put me on a book about car accidents, for example.

That's understandable. But the wailing and expectation that one or two sensitive subjects, out of a planet full of them, are what should be prioritised above all else, is just utterly narcissistic.

Me. My problems. Me, me. Doesn't project stability or perspective or competency.

You probably like the clinically informed stuff, but not the Bible informed views.

@Stripesnomore

I really hope that it is the Streisand effect. If it isn’t, it is the employer that bothers me not the employees. Why are employers selecting these people and then allowing them to carry on in this way? It is just ludicrous given how most people are treated at work.

" It is just ludicrous given how most people are treated at work"

Spot on. I wonder if they are aware just how privileged and out of touch with the real world they are at a time when millions are looking down the barrel of long term unemployment and poverty.
At this point in time plenty of employers will just say "There's the door chum,"

EarthSight
You might have put your finger on something there. He gets stick for being a bit trite at times, but that probably comes from his clinical background.

In practice you would often have to help people see the woods for the trees, so keeping it pretty down to earth and simple is what a patient would need when they are stuck in a particular mindset.

If I was their employer my response would be,"There's the door. Close it when you leave"

These are grown ups?

@Stripesnomore

I enjoyed 12 Rules for Life, will reread it before the sequel and then buy the sequel.

I hope he has recovered from his horrific diazepam withdrawal.

I liked 12 rules too. I've enjoyed some of his lectures also, especially where he looks at the symbolism of stories, archetypes and the collective unconscious, and those kinds of things. He puts out an amazing amount of content in philosophy and psychology for absolutely free, which is good of him.

His experience with trying to get off those drugs is utterly horrific. I watched a podcast he did with his daughter Mikhaila quite soon after he'd started recovering and it was so devastating what they went through. Or, as JP would say, "not good."

Yes, I have enjoyed some of his lectures. He did a talk at one point on the dangers of being naive and coming to the attention of predators. It really helped me make sense of things leaving DV.

He was always very open about using medication for mental health, but the withdrawal sounded awful and hopefully will raise some awareness of the issue.

There is a film about him - The Rise of Jordan Peterson. It is on Sky Arts and is very balanced. It also shows some of the student responses which illustrate the points made in Coddling.

Also, when I bought my copy of 12 Rules in Waterstones, the man at the cash register handed it to me like it was a dead rat. It was around then it dawned on me that society was becoming polarised!

Related:

newrepublic.com/article/160391/pretty-soon-therell-just-one-big-book-publisher-left

'America’s biggest, most powerful book publisher is about to get even bigger and more powerful. On Wednesday, a number of outlets reported that Penguin Random House had reached an agreement with ViacomCBS to purchase Simon & Schuster, the nation’s third-largest publisher, for $2 billion. The resulting conglomerate would publish at least a third of all books sold in the United States, and transform Penguin Random House, already a superpower, into an industry-dominating behemoth, with potentially serious consequences for authors, publishing employees, and diversity of thought. That extraordinary level of concentration will dramatically lower competition in the publishing industry, likely leading to job cuts, lower advances for authors, and fewer non-blockbuster books being published by commercial publishers.'

I mean whether people like him or not or etc

Is his writing dangerous? And I'm not even sure where the line is on that. But wherever it is, he's not anywhere near it is he?