Irish women will be heard (trending)

[GrainneMhaol]

Hi everyone. #WeWillBeHeard is trending on twitter in Ireland. It is in reponse to Amnesty International, the National Women's Council of Ireland and other major NGO's calling for people who "defend biology" or who are gender critical to be disenfranchised.

Their words: "..Let us say unequivocally that the statements of newly launched organisations that seek to defend biology or fight gender identity and expression do not represent the wider LGBTI+ community nor feminists in Ireland... We call on media, and politicians to no longer provide legitimate representation for those that share bigoted beliefs."

This is a thread with pictures and the hastag which is trending

twitter.com/TCDFFT/status/1331208440971137024?s=19

A response letter from The Countess didn't fight for this thecountessdidntfightforthis.com/we-will-be-heard/

And an archived copy of the original ridiculous letter they are replying to (usual tropes about being far right etc) archive.is/glPXl#selection-1561.0-1561.202

That's strange. My previous post was deleted. I don't think I said anything offensive, did I?

Stella O'Malley is great. I can't understand how anyone could listen to her and not agree that everything she says is sensible and compassionate.

LOVE Stella!

Even the ghastly Barbie Kardashian case didn't really cut through. I think it will take the appearance of some Lauren O' Hubbard as an inter County camogie player to wake people up. Then we might even see people discussing it on Craicnet.

Hope she drops in here to see the Stella fan club

I started with Secrets of the Motherworld (with Lisa Marchiano) and then moved onto Gender: A Wider Lens. She is so wise. I should buy her books by way of support as I feel I've had so much access to her voice for no cost at all.

@Abhannmor

Even the ghastly Barbie Kardashian case didn't really cut through. I think it will take the appearance of some Lauren O' Hubbard as an inter County camogie player to wake people up. Then we might even see people discussing it on Craicnet.

I think the reason BK didn't get people outraged what how it was reported in the media.

I remember reading about it in a mainstream paper at the time, and it was reported as a woman viciously sexually attacking women . The reason I remember it and specifics about the case (that BK tore off a social workers eyelid etc.) was I was shocked at the level of aggression and violence committed by a woman, I remember thinking how unusual it was. And then some time later learned the truth.

But there was no mention in the article that BK was born a male, probably because of the journalistic 'guidelines' that support lies being told about this.

So how do we actually get the word out, when our mainstream media are not reporting on this correctly? Most of the voting public would be horrified at what is really going on and what is being covered up.

It's funny you mention Craicnet, I rarely venture there but would similarly be afraid to bring this stuff up in case I get shouted down.

@Abhannmor

Even the ghastly Barbie Kardashian case didn't really cut through. I think it will take the appearance of some Lauren O' Hubbard as an inter County camogie player to wake people up. Then we might even see people discussing it on Craicnet.

You're right. Sport might cut through where vulnerable women housed in prisons with violent offenders won't. On the prison issue it amazes me that the situation for the women prison officers in those women's prisons is not given more attention.

I think the Journal.ie did carry a court report that contained BKs real name @CreepingDeath. But you had to dig deep to find it. The prison officers have a pretty good union @3timeslucky so I'm surprised they haven't kicked up about this tbh ! But sport is the biggie. Even ppl who have never heard of this issue do know Hubbard. 🙄 And they are not impressed. Men just as outraged if not more so.

Did anyone read the article in the Irish Mirror on the 13 year old girl in possession of material on the rape of children. Kept a diary fantasising about raping young children.

Something not right about the story of this ‘girl’.

@Abhanmor Exactly. I'd have thought the union would be speaking for them but then I join up the dots between the Labour party/left progressives/union and their silence makes sense. And let's face it, we're only talking about women workers so ...

@MadamBatty No didn't see that but it sets off alarms alright.

Senator Sharon Keogan spoke yesterday in the Oireachtas about safeguarding and social transitioning in schools and talked about The Countess group. This is the first time this has happened, incredible to see her lay it all out and the issues.

twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1445495801212399621?s=20

Senator Keogans speech

Well done on this, Senator Sharon Keogan! Wonder what were the recommendations alluded to by the second speaker? If any. Good shout out for Laoise.

Some of the most outspoken people like Helen Joyce and Graham Linehan are Irish (albeit living in the UK), and I rarely, if ever, hear them talk about this issue as it relates to Ireland. Maybe because the laws are already in place to it seems like a lost cause.

Glinner has written quite a bit about Ireland, particularly in relation to that Amnesty International guy whose name escapes me.

Bravo, Senator Keogan!

Second speaker is Regina Doherty who, if memory serves, is on the TWAW bandwagon.
I'd need to double check that I'm right about that....

Edit to add: a quick google gives:
www.thejournal.ie/regina-doherty-trans-3635178-Oct2017/
twitter.com/reginado/status/1087840022265503744?lang=en
www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-legislation-to-make-it-easier-for-teenagers-to-change-gender-1.4099892

Regina, on current evidence, speaks from both sides of her mouth.

@RoyalCorgi

Some of the most outspoken people like Helen Joyce and Graham Linehan are Irish (albeit living in the UK), and I rarely, if ever, hear them talk about this issue as it relates to Ireland. Maybe because the laws are already in place to it seems like a lost cause.

Glinner has written quite a bit about Ireland, particularly in relation to that Amnesty International guy whose name escapes me.

Colm O Gorman. He signed that letter - along with TENI etc - demanding that gender critical feminists should be barred from the media and lose political representation. Prompting a very spirited response from Iseult White whose grandfather, Sean MacBride, founded Amnesty. No sense of history , irony ,self awareness. Amnesty was founded to defend freedom of conscience , not crush it.

True @FionaMacCool. She led a campaign to abolish the Seanad 😆 quite recently

Yes Fionamac she is, she said an independent review group look at the GRA, this review group is made up of members from BeLongTo, TENI and other trans rights orgs, they aren't independent.

Cailleach1

Here is the last report with recommendations, it is not as Regina Doherty said, about safeguarding in schools.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=assets.gov.ie/69547/dd757168e2e44d3faa7196b4b17fc4d8.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=assets.gov.ie/69547/dd757168e2e44d3faa7196b4b17fc4d8.pdf

Thanks for the link @Oncewasblueandyellowtwo. I'll have a proper gander shortly. Just first few thoughts.

That is rather misleading from O'Doherty. She did the foreword for that report, so she must have been are of the contents. She should have been able to answer what was recommended in the report. Or if any care was given to the issues raised. She made it sound as if she had commissioned it without further involvement. She would have to ask the current Minister for subsequent developments yes, but she should have known what was recommended in the report itself. Maybe have been able to state if any space was given discussing the impact on others, exploration of possible consequences, safeguarding and protection for vulnerable minors, or the balancing of rights.

Considering the scandals of recent decades, does O'Doherty suspect that she may be perceived as waving all this through with ne'er a thought to the consequences? When this new ideological misogyny and child scandals pseudo 'progressiveness' is out of fashion and the damage is exposed, people who were involved at implementing all this will be regarded as complicit or reckless; or both.

they (review group) have prepared a very comprehensive report that seeks to improve the position of people who legally wish to change gender.

For a start, the Review Group was chaired by an activist for a lobby group. They should have had an independent Chair.

@Oncewasblueandyellowtwo Thanks for linking that. It really is a bit rubbish isn't it?
That report doesn't address any of the issues or concerns of parents (or practitioners) and there's nothing about guidelines for schools or sporting organisations. When you look at the make-up of the group ... civil servants and lobbyists. Where's the voice of parents or expert practitioners (or the population at large)?

they (review group) have prepared a very comprehensive report that seeks to improve the position of people who legally wish to change gender

Exactly! It has only one focus.

Given all the talk about gender and the examination of a "third gender" in the guise of being "NB", do you think there's any chance we could have some completely separate sex-based equality legislation and protections?

Where are we now with Irish activism? Just coming out of some ill health and am not going on Twitter so signposts please!

I’ve cancelled my membership of Amnesty International, who I’ve been with for 20 years, and followed the Countess on twitter. It’s an absolute disgrace. Irish women have had an awful time in history and are still fighting for many rights, as have UK women, we should join in solidarity across the sea!

Never mind. In 20 years we'll get a full and sincere apology and lessons will be learned. Nobody could have known and it was best practise at the time. Probably the nuns were behind it.

Who do you think will be young enough to give it?

@1Week

Never mind. In 20 years we'll get a full and sincere apology and lessons will be learned. Nobody could have known and it was best practise at the time. Probably the nuns were behind it.

Who do you think will be young enough to give it?

It's all so predictable, isn't it? I do feel that there are a lot of backbench TD's who are uncomfortable with the situation but are toeing the party line. FG and the Greens have totally swallowed the Koolaid. I feel FF are less enthusiastic but it's not a topic that they would risk losing power for. The IT seems to be the only mainstream media that touches on the topic. Apart from that there is silence on the issue as more and more stealth changes are introduced.

Of all of them, I'd say FF are the ones who would listen to ordinary people. That's always been their genius.

Our problem (well, one of them!) is we don't really have an alternative media in this country, everyone toes the party line, whatever that line happens to be.