Teenager drop-kicked for saying you need female genitals to be a woman

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8965625/London-transgender-women-drop-kicked-stamped-19-year-old.html

Supposedly being celebrated by TRAs

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“I'd agree with the judge on this one. Not an excuse for violence, hence the conviction. But certainly an excuse for a lighter sentence and also for the victim blaming”

This. I have no sympathy for him what so ever. Maybe he will think twice about verbally abusing people and maybe they will think twice about assaulting someone in response.

It is a sign that the so-called victim realised how wrong he was by refusing to cooperate and not make any statement

Eh? It’s not uncommon for victims not to cooperate and make statements.

Not because they’re in the wrong, but because they’re terrified of repercussions and further violence if they assist prosecution.

Victims of domestic violence or rape that don’t press charges are also in the wrong are they? Provoked him? Wore too short a skirt?

I reckon the judge didn't want to imprison them because that would have opened a whole "where do we send them" issue. Neatly sidestepped.

The posters on here with the "He said something nasty so they should get away with it" attitude need to take a long, hard look at themselves. People should not get away with a four on one assault.

I reckon the judge didn't want to imprison them because that would have opened a whole "where do we send them" issue. Neatly sidestepped

That and risking his own safety by being labelled transphobic and bringing down the wrath of the TRA’s?

He was clearly trying to blame the victim here, show sympathy with the assailants and justify their actions. The victim “realising he was in the wrong” ffs.

Awful judgement

Men exhibiting male violence. Nothing unusual to see here.

The posters on here with the "He said something nasty so they should get away with it" attitude need to take a long, hard look at themselves. People should not get away with a four on one assault.

This. Was about to say exactly the same. Ask yourself why they did get away with it.

Verbal abuse does not excuse four viciously assaulting and drop kicking one man. It's staggering and yes, frightening, that the judge has effectively given the assailants carte blanche to attack anyone saying something they find offensive.

Also, and not directed at OP: This really has no business being in the feminist section, ffs. Street brawling is not our department- we have so much to be doing, so many things to still address. Maternity care, FGM, DV, politics, healthcare, sexism. Women have so much to do already just to get through the fucking day . And yet this is rudely shoved into our faces as 'female crime' . What bullshit.

@Elsiebear90

“I'd agree with the judge on this one. Not an excuse for violence, hence the conviction. But certainly an excuse for a lighter sentence and also for the victim blaming”

This. I have no sympathy for him what so ever. Maybe he will think twice about verbally abusing people and maybe they will think twice about assaulting someone in response.

I don't see why they would. Their punishment for that attack (and the Daily Mail hosted a video- it's very violent) was a curfew order. During a pandemic. There's nowhere for them to go anyway.

If other people hadn't intervened, they could have gone on until they killed him.

Didn't that article day he the victim was treated for a black eye and abrasions? I dislike the way the judge summed it up, but I'd be amazed if there was a real sentence handed out for those injuries, a witness who didn't want to give a statement and provocation of some kind.

There's never an excuse for victim blaming. We don't do retributive justice. We don't bend the law because 'he deserved it'. We know too well where that kind of justice leads.

This was a brutal attack. Four people, three of them fully grown males, set upon a 19 year old, knocked him to the ground and repeatedly kicked and stamped on him.

I don't care what he said, how offensive it was or who it was offensive to. Anyone trying to justify or downplay vicious attacks like this should have a long hard look at themselves.

@LangClegsInSpace

There's never an excuse for victim blaming. We don't do retributive justice. We don't bend the law because 'he deserved it'. We know too well where that kind of justice leads.

This was a brutal attack. Four people, three of them fully grown males, set upon a 19 year old, knocked him to the ground and repeatedly kicked and stamped on him.

I don't care what he said, how offensive it was or who it was offensive to. Anyone trying to justify or downplay vicious attacks like this should have a long hard look at themselves.

Exactly this. I've been called a "fucking paki lesbian" quite regularly for many years whilst travelling on tubes ans trains and never taken it upon myself to grab a gang of male bodied friends, beat a teenage boy to the ground and start kicking him in the head. He could be dead now. In fact my father was beaten in the same way physically, was stamped on the head by a gang of men and died.

This is a disgraceful way to behave and shows that thuggishness and violence are all too easy to dismiss as long as you shout "be kind" whilst you kick a mans head in.
So

Oops posted before I finished -
Was about to say "So think carefully about what you are justifying here. We have no idea what happened, we only have a version that doesn't tell us what the lead up to these remarks were even. Pretty sure if I was getting beaten up I would be shouting every insult I could manage and a few extra.

From a DM commenter: “Well they can't blame their appalling behaviour on the time of month...”

Something it did make me think though is that when men start to get affected by these issues they will start to sit up and that's when the backlash will suddenly happen. What happens when young men start being targeted and beaten up by TRA's?

And what if that had been a teenage girl being beaten up by this group of Male bodied thugs?

There's never an excuse for victim blaming. We don't do retributive justice. We don't bend the law because 'he deserved it'. We know too well where that kind of justice leads.

That appears to me as roughly what just happened in the court though. It appears to me that the judge just blamed the victim and intimated there was an excuse for stomping on someone's head. So, British courts now seem to do that in certain cases. However, I'm sure it will be applied in the same way if a group of women were called b*hes or c**ts and retaliate with male pattern violence and stomped on the name callers head while they were lying prone on the ground.

Proportionate or excusable in any way? Stomping on someone's head while they're on the ground could have resulted in brain damage or death. If the man on the ground had died from the physical attack, would he have been called the alleged murder victim?

AvocadoBathroom

"She said: ‘Hannah Bryan, when she was interviewed described that there had been a conversation with this young man where he had turned around and said “You’re not a woman – you need a fanny to be a woman”.

This is from the Metro. I'm curious about what that prior conversation was about.

AvocadoBathroom

I'm so very sorry for what happened to you, and your father.

And what if that had been a teenage girl being beaten up by this group of Male bodied thugs?

I've seen that dismissed as well as she was a "bully". I think that also involved kicking her in the head. An individual MTF trans person rather than a gang. There was a thread on here, and I would say it was about 50/50 blame.

Avocado .

avocado

So sorry about your dad 💐

And you! Having people yell abuse at you is dreadful

There was a thread on here, and I would say it was about 50/50 blame

What the fuck is wrong with people

Honestly, does anyone know

Especially on mumsnet....basic fucking parenting is that the ‘he started it’ defence isn’t a fucking defence

And what if that had been a teenage girl being beaten up by this group of Male bodied thugs?

If a teenage girl got beaten up for saying you need a fanny to be a woman, even without insulting her attackers she'd be crucified - "this cishet oppressor deserves everything she gets" - which if you squint a bit looks a lot like beating a girl up for the crime of being a girl (and knowing it).

In the case of this incident, the victim was essentially assaulted for the crime of "being provocatively cissexual in public".

Always important to remember the appropriate comparator, though. What would happen if four transmen beat up a teenage girl for saying you need a dick to be a man? How would the courts view that, and how would the sentencing compare? I'd lay money they wouldn't just be looking at a slap on the wrists.

This is from the Metro. I'm curious about what that prior conversation was about

Me also.