Teenager drop-kicked for saying you need female genitals to be a woman

[youkiddingme]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8965625/London-transgender-women-drop-kicked-stamped-19-year-old.html

Supposedly being celebrated by TRAs

www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1330041982681571329

But we must be kiiiiiind.

I remember seeing this on metro. I had insomnia that night so was just gazing at t'internet. The Metro starting saying 'women in dresses' then by six am it was just 'women '. So not off at all.

Ghastly behaviour from ghastly people. Men fighting in the street over a perceived slight is firmly in you-spilled-my-pint territory. Probably out looking for trouble in the first place.

Nowt more classy, delicate and ladylike than stamping on a teenagers head, is there?

This gang must have missed the memo. Women are supposed to always #bekind

Judge Nigel Seed told the gang: 'I accept that had it not been for the alleged victim in this case there probably wouldn't have been an incident.

FFS

Nothing to fear at all from sharing toilets and other spaces with that group, obviously. So long as you do nothing at all that could possibly be interpreted by them as offensive you probably shouldn't get your head kicked in.

*Group meaning the group of specific individuals who were sentenced as referenced in the article, just clarifying for HQ's better convenience.

@DrDavidBanner

Judge Nigel Seed told the gang: 'I accept that had it not been for the alleged victim in this case there probably wouldn't have been an incident.

FFS

Doesn't make sense, does it? He wasn't an alleged victim, he was a victim. These thugs stamped on him. Stamping on someone's head can fucking kill them!

I've had all sorts said to me by creeps, I'm not entitled to beat the shit out of them (not that I could even if I wanted to).

And what else does that ridiculous statement apply to? If it wasn't for the alleged victim wearing a short skirt, there wouldn't have been an incident of rape? If it wasn't for the alleged victim burning dinner, she wouldn't have been punched in the face by her husband?

Literal victim blaming

Total victim blaming

Are you missing the part where it says he subjected them to “extremely offensive racist and transphobic abuse” prior to them attacking him? It’s not an excuse for violence, but he’s hardly an innocent victim.

Judge Nigel Seed told the gang: 'I accept that had it not been for the alleged victim in this case there probably wouldn't have been an incident.'

I'm with other baffled PPs on this one. If there hadn't been a victim, the incident would have been a bunch of strikingly dressed people jumping up and down hard, on nothing. Maybe Morris dancing?

But what really gets me is that none of them were jailed, and they were soothed by the judge because the victim hadn't been kiiiiiind to them.

@Elsiebear90

Are you missing the part where it says he subjected them to “extremely offensive racist and transphobic abuse” prior to them attacking him? It’s not an excuse for violence, but he’s hardly an innocent victim.

Don’t know about you Elsie but I’ve been subject to misogynistic abuse all my adult life, also racial abuse but less often. I don’t retaliate. Their response was disproportionate in the extreme.

@Elsiebear90

Are you missing the part where it says he subjected them to “extremely offensive racist and transphobic abuse” prior to them attacking him? It’s not an excuse for violence, but he’s hardly an innocent victim.

I didn't know it's ok to be extremely violent towards people who verbally abuse me! Awesome. I'll bear that in mind next time a bloke yells at me while I'm going about my business!

Or maybe it's not ok? Actually?

@Elsiebear90

Are you missing the part where it says he subjected them to “extremely offensive racist and transphobic abuse” prior to them attacking him? It’s not an excuse for violence, but he’s hardly an innocent victim.

Nobody missed that bit.

Nothing justifies a gang beating the shit out of one teenager and stamping on his head. They could have done what everyone else has to do in that situation, and reported him.

No one said he was an innocent victim. Just that he wasn't an alleged victim, he WAS also a victim, of a nasty assault by a gang of thugs.

The guy's obviously a complete twunt. However carrying out GBH at will is illegal in this country regardless of the provocation at the time - even people defending themselves from home invaders and assault don't reliably get away with it - and I object to the idea that there are some particular people and some particular circumstances that make it less illegal and from the judge's implications here, sort of justified. Or that any particular isms and words are more important to the law than others.

@MichelleofzeResistance

The guy's obviously a complete twunt. However carrying out GBH at will is illegal in this country regardless of the provocation at the time - even people defending themselves from home invaders and assault don't reliably get away with it - and I object to the idea that there are some particular people and some particular circumstances that make it less illegal and from the judge's implications here, sort of justified. Or that any particular isms and words are more important to the law than others.

Absolutely agree with this.

Yeah the victim sounds like a nasty little shite, but he still shouldn't have been assaulted. The punishment for verbal abuse should not be a kicking.

Tbh if they'd rung the police on him I'm sure the police would have been more than happy to investigate it as a hate crime!

Are you missing the part where it says he subjected them to “extremely offensive racist and transphobic abuse” prior to them attacking him? It’s not an excuse for violence, but he’s hardly an innocent victim

You literally just said it yourself

Its not an excuse for violence

The rest of your post is pretty much saying you do believe its an excuse for violence

@MichelleofzeResistance

The guy's obviously a complete twunt. However carrying out GBH at will is illegal in this country regardless of the provocation at the time - even people defending themselves from home invaders and assault don't reliably get away with it - and I object to the idea that there are some particular people and some particular circumstances that make it less illegal and from the judge's implications here, sort of justified. Or that any particular isms and words are more important to the law than others.

This, exactly. I was having trouble defining my thoughts in the way that expressed them properly. This. Thank you.

From the daily fail, I read it as most of the verbal abuse happening during the attack. Obviously I'm not defineding the racial abuses, but the attackers had no way of knowing he was going to say that when they started assaultinghim, so don't see how it excuses their attack.

All he's reported as saying before the incident it "you need a f (I assume fanny) to be a woman". Whilst curde, I believe he's anatomicaly correct, and at most it's a deference of opinion on what defines a woman. Last I checked holding a different opinion was not grounds for an assault that could easily have been fatal.

The judge was definitely out of order with his victim blaming comments.

The most oppressed and sensitive my foot. These scumbags have gotten away with this while the teenager was blamed totally for his attack. Insulting language isn't acceptable, but neither is physically assaulting someone. I feel for the victim and I hope he's okay. Shame on this gang of thugs and the judge.

Why were they convicted of violent disorder and not assault?

I read it as most of the verbal abuse happening during the attack.

That's what it looked like to me. So the victim points out that a woman is physiologically different from a man, and then insults the people who are knocking him down and kicking him.

But the judge gives the attackers a very gentle slap on the wrist, while sympathising with them because the victim made nasty comments while trying to protect himself.

This actually worries me, because like the attackers of Maria MacLachlan, who got a tiny fine aggressive people are seeing that they can get away with violence.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Are you missing the part where it says he subjected them to “extremely offensive racist and transphobic abuse” prior to them attacking him? It’s not an excuse for violence, but he’s hardly an innocent victim

You literally just said it yourself

Its not an excuse for violence

The rest of your post is pretty much saying you do believe its an excuse for violence

I'd agree with the judge on this one. Not an excuse for violence, hence the conviction. But certainly an excuse for a lighter sentence and also for the victim blaming.

The victim sounds like a bigoted little racist who tried to humiliate some people be thought would turn the other cheek. The convictions are well-deserved, but I wouldn't be shedding any tears for him.