Selina Todd in the Times supporting Suzanne Moore

[persistentwoman]

A powerful but depressing article by Selina Todd in the Times / Sunday Times. Share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a5eb66d6-2a88-11eb-9d71-3a8cfebe9319?shareToken=9e74b903f031f0b7611de0164b3affe5

Let's try again:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a5eb66d6-2a88-11eb-9d71-3a8cfebe9319?shareToken=9ea38a32a9f6b759b418cd5e620e3d54

Doesn't work either, weird.

It's a problem at the Times by the look of it. I keep trying to see if they sort it.
Comments are starting to appear. I think this will be a busy comment section.

Odd, I can’t find on a search either - if I search in Selina or Suzannes names I get the error message - what is the title please and what section is it in?

It's still on the front page of the app if you look at yesterday, but I don't know how to create a share token in the app, it doesn't have the email icon to generate a link. There are around 55 comments now:

Suzanne Moore defended my views on sex and identity. Now it’s my turn to stand up for her

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suzanne-moore-defended-my-views-on-sex-and-identity-now-its-my-turn-to-stand-up-for-her-xp3ztr5g9

Internal server problem and given it's a weekend, might be some time before it's fixed.

In the Online version it's in the News Review section.

Sorry for previous post, incorrect.

If I go via the online version, it's ok. Something wrong with share tokens?

I can paste the share token into my browser and it works, two different browsers (one that doesn't have my Times password saved) the moment I put it into MN and do preview message and click on the link there it tells me there is an internal failure

I’m on my phone - if I click the link it fails but copy & paste it or open in a new tab - it’s fine.

Whew found it thanks - I was getting a bit suspicious there for a minute. On the plus side I happened across the article re 3 transgender women convicted for attacking the teenager - they had transgender in the headline which is better than in many reports.

The article has been moved to the News Review. Hopefully this share token works?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a5eb66d6-2a88-11eb-9d71-3a8cfebe9319?shareToken=254bfbe736397a1a8ca77c21e23d2eb2

Gary Kavanagh on GRIPT gript.ie/names-338-guardian/ has written a clear and IMO non-partisan summary of Suzanne Moore's treatment by the Guardian, including the contents of the letter decrying her, with the names of all of its signatories.

I have found Gary Kavangh to be good writer.
He's on gript.ie though, and clicking into that site makes you a stinky far righter!!

(But not to worry, Amnesty Ireland, the womens council of Ireland and all the trans orgs in Ireland have called on Irish media and politicians to deny bigoted GC feminists any platform or representation, on the grounds of stinky far rightness. Just throwing this in for the benefit of UK based feminists who may not be aware - don't see how, as it you Brits who are infecting the pure heart of the noble Irish woman with your bigoted ideas)

[quote persistentwoman]The article has been moved to the News Review. Hopefully this share token works?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a5eb66d6-2a88-11eb-9d71-3a8cfebe9319?shareToken=254bfbe736397a1a8ca77c21e23d2eb2[/quote]
Nope. I think it's because MN changes that to this:

go.skimresources.com/?id=470X756&isjs=1&jv=14.4.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mumsnet.com%2FTalk%2Fwomens_rights%2F4086052-Selina-Todd-in-the-Times-supporting-Suzanne-Moore%3Fmsgid%3D101977856&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetimes.co.uk%2Farticle%2Fa5eb66d6-2a88-11eb-9d71-3a8cfebe9319%3FshareToken%3D254bfbe736397a1a8ca77c21e23d2eb2&xguid=01DQWPN0AMVNKPV4KJH4WDETJD&xs=1&xtz=0&xuuid=aef647bf08af8da2ee6be241dbfed4d4&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B0%5D

7Days...I just googled Suzanne Moore letter but judging by your follow up comment I may indeed be a stinky far -righter

It's coming from a rw perspective all right. Which is far enough I suppose, its not for me but theres space for all perspectives.
That said, Gary Kavanagh is good. Factual without being polemic. You should read his piece on Peter Tatchell. Lays it all out and well sourced.

Thanks for the tip, 7Days. Personally, I much prefer reading fact than fiction...& then taking a view.

Selina piece is very good.