Labour MP Fleur Anderson saying TWAW, change must happen and be kind

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Ironically her next tweet is about anti bullying says "it's ok to be different" (which of course it is).

So according to Fleur 'difference' is good, apart from when it relates to the fact that transwomen and women are different.

I'm all for her message that transgender people should not be discriminated against but pretending they are something they are not and losing the true definition of women as a group, that I can't get on board with.

I am lifelong Labour but can't vote for this. When is Keir Starmer going to get off the fence?

twitter.com/PutneyFleur/status/1328363248077443072

Well the very woke Sophie Walker managed to lose Rother Valley which had been Labour for 100 years, so I wouldn't be too sure about it being an election loser. I certainly can't see them winning back the red wall this way.

Sorry - I hadn't refreshed the page and didn't see that the thread had moved on.

@Floisme

Well the very woke Sophie Walker managed to lose Rother Valley which had been Labour for 100 years, so I wouldn't be too sure about it being an election loser. I certainly can't see them winning back the red wall this way.

I wouldn’t describe Sophie Walker as super-woke. She’s conflicted because she can no doubt see what the reality is but she’s too scared to openly say it because she will get even more backlash than she’s had so far. Super-woke is someone like Nadia Whittome or Mhairi Black who makes an active point of attacking women who are concerned about single sex spaces.

She’s conflicted because she can no doubt see what the reality is

Ive heard she can.

Oh sorry, I think you meant Sophie Wilson didn’t you? She is indeed super-woke.
Yeah, wokeness is not a big vote-winner but the people who object to it aren’t listened to in any other areas of life so their voices aren’t heard. Not a problem for the Labour Party, until there’s an election and then they start to wonder why they are losing all these seats.

Yeah, wokeness is not a big vote-winner but the people who object to it aren’t listened to in any other areas of life so their voices aren’t heard. Not a problem for the Labour Party, until there’s an election and then they start to wonder why they are losing all these seats.

And there is the problem in a nutshell with politics dominated by the elite professional politician, where only those who think and say the right things and stand by very niche views get into positions of power and ensure that only those who think like them are ever successful at job interviews.

Add that to the belief of the super-woke that people who don't think like them should really be allowed to vote, and you should just hold your nose as you go by the massive majority of your voters that you don't believe are entitled to be heard or represented and then reproachfully scold them for somehow not wanting you in power over them, and there you have Labour. Unelectable even in the current times, which is quite a remarkable feat really.

Add that to the belief of the super-woke that people who don't think like them shouldn't* really be allowed to vote

And in some versions, should have reduced civil and human rights if they're not on message. I keep wondering where they plan to put all the gulags, and who exactly is going to staff them, since there's going to be far more voters in there than out.

Let's not be kind. Let's acknowledge that male violence against women and children is a thing and enact policies to protect us.

@MichelleofzeResistance

To just deny the reality of the issues (which is essentially treating all women and their voices and rights in a way they would not dare to treat a trans activist) is about as stupid as saying Brexit isn't happening, Covid isn't real anyway and Barnard Castle absolutely is the right way to do an eye sight test.

This is what gets me. These people don't argue - they just state obvious falsehoods as facts. "Trans women are women." "There is no conflict between trans women's rights and cis women's rights." Then you ask them in what way are trans women women? Or you point out two dozen examples of where trans women's rights have conflicted with women's rights. And then they block you.

I just cannot understand how it is possible to be that stupid. It's like saying "The earth is flat" without any supporting evidence and expecting people to agree with you. It absolutely depresses the hell out of me to think that these dimwits are our elected representatives.

@RealityNotEssentialism

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Hi Fleur

Thank you for your order. We can confirm that your shipment of woke male approval has now been dispatched and should be with you shortly.

😂

Is that the Bank of England lit up in trans colours on International Women's day?

Have I got that right?

It's just that I can't find any references to that online and I must do that before I have a massive rant about it to my friends and family. Could someone please provide a link?

It was just this week. I don’t think they did anything for IWD

twitter.com/bankofengland/status/1328382433553768448?s=20

Here's the link. It was Monday. The replies etc are good. Funny isn't it that the most oppressed group in the world has the support of every institution and major corporation?

I don't mind that BoE gets lit up at all and I don't think it was on IWD either.

My issue is that most of the time trans rights and womens rights can happily co-exist but there are obvious instances where they clash (e.g. prisons, rape shelters, female representation, crime statistics, sports...).

I do not understand why the very existence of the conflict is denied, often by intelligent people and those same people also say TWAW but are then unable to define what the meaning of 'trans women' or 'women' is.

I am so fed up with the falsehoods.

twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1329108467777343494?s=21

The comments here are depressing. So many calling for Rosie Duffield to be kicked out of the party for “transphobic” views.

Thank you for the link SmallPug. I particularly liked this comment:

The Old Adult Human Female of Threadneedle Street.

@MoreJammyDodgersPlease

I believe Putney was the only constituency in the last election to switch from Conservative to Labour. (The Conservative candidate was truly woeful, the Lib Dem campaign was bizarre). I voted for Fleur despite many concerns about the Labour party. I think this is the first time I've seen comments from her on this issue, and now there's really no one to vote for.

I'm also in Putney and voted for Fleur as she was the best out of the very poor options on offer.

I'm appalled by her trans stance. As you say there is really no-one in Putney to vote for now.

@RealityNotEssentialism

Oh sorry, I think you meant Sophie Wilson didn’t you? She is indeed super-woke. Yeah, wokeness is not a big vote-winner but the people who object to it aren’t listened to in any other areas of life so their voices aren’t heard. Not a problem for the Labour Party, until there’s an election and then they start to wonder why they are losing all these seats.

Sorry yes, my bad, I meant Sophie Wilson! If I recall correctly, she got in a Twitter argument with local CSE survivor Sammy Woodhouse. Out of its big city comfort zone Labour is clueless.

@SmallPug

twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1329108467777343494?s=21

The comments here are depressing. So many calling for Rosie Duffield to be kicked out of the party for “transphobic” views.

I wish Corbyn and Bromentum would break away and form their own party: that would get rid of a lot of these loonies.

Yeah, I am deeply worried about this. While I don’t think the whip should be restored to Jeremy Corbyn, this is likely to provoke an angry backlash from his supporters and they will come after Rosie Duffield as a result. 😞

Also, what these idiots fail to realise is that Rosie’s constituency has always been a Tory stronghold. They had a sitting Tory MP for nearly 30 years. It is surrounded by a sea of blue and UKIP-supporters. She made history when she won by a small margin. Do they honestly think that ousting her isn’t going to mean losing yet another Labour seat? This is what is so infuriating about the momentum people. They’d rather have the Tories win for the sake of their own ideological purity. This woman has said that you have to be female to have a cervix. That is literally the extent of her ‘crime’. Can you imagine 10 years ago someone being hounded out for that?

www.google.com/amp/s/www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/amp/the-nhs-will-be-the-127005/

She won by 187 votes. Unbelievably close. Get rid of her and replace her with some woke loser spouting about intersectionality and I guarantee that the Tories will win easily in this constituency next time.

"We'd rather be in the right than in power." is a strange strategy indeed.

But they aren’t right or in power!

I can't recall anyone in the Labour Party who has stood up for Rosie Duffield. Where is Keir Starmer, Jess Phillips, Lisa Nandy, Angela Rayner etc ? Corbyn is over, it's these politicians who have power in the Labour Party now and I am so disappointed and disillusioned with the lot of them.

@WarriorsComeOutToPlayay

I actually wrote to Fleur when Rosie Duffield was getting abuse and below is a extract of her reply. She's 100% woke.

There is no conflict between trans women’s rights and cis women’s rights – both groups are harmed by structural misogyny. Women’s rights do not become meaningless when our politics recognises that trans women are women. I think that trans women are women and should therefore have the protections afforded to women – albeit that they may have an additional risk of discrimination. This does not detract from women’s rights as is sometimes characterised.

Hmmmm I wrote to her then too but did not get a response. However that response is just a load of old cobblers. She claims that lots of people are writing to her from different viewpoints and she is engaging with them but clearly not, if she can't get past the TWAW dogma then it's hard to have a sensible conversation on the matter.