Labour MP Fleur Anderson saying TWAW, change must happen and be kind

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Ironically her next tweet is about anti bullying says "it's ok to be different" (which of course it is).

So according to Fleur 'difference' is good, apart from when it relates to the fact that transwomen and women are different.

I'm all for her message that transgender people should not be discriminated against but pretending they are something they are not and losing the true definition of women as a group, that I can't get on board with.

I am lifelong Labour but can't vote for this. When is Keir Starmer going to get off the fence?

twitter.com/PutneyFleur/status/1328363248077443072

Let's be kind while we watch little girls have to share toilets with boys in school, girls who are too young to articulate why that even makes them uncomfortable.

The sad thing is that girls are articulating it, they're just being ignored. That's not very kind.

Pupils are missing school because they don't like mixed sex toilets and 'period shaming' is one of the main issues

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/pupils-missing-school-because-dont-15839558

Isn’t it international toilet day tomorrow? And they don’t mean share a toilet.

I’m not kind. I’m nice but being kind just means letting someone do/say what they want so that you don’t hurt their feelings in this case.

A friend of the family works for an independent school that is inspected by ofsted. It’s not a fancy school or anything - many of its pupils are ones who can’t cope in mainstream education, including those who have been excluded. They used to have single sex provision for toilets. In the past few years, several pupils have decided that they ID as trans or NB. The school leadership responded by making all toilets gender neutral. Several girls complained saying they were scared of some of the male pupils and felt very uncomfortable. They were basically told they were bigots. It turns out the provision of single sex toilets is actually a legal requirement so the agreement between the teachers now is that if an Ofsted inspection is sprung upon them, someone will immediately replace the male and female toilet signs that are kept in the head’s office and which were removed. Absolutely staggering. They KNOW they are failing their girls but they don’t care.

Oh and the family friend is woke (but older) so was telling me this in an ‘oh isn’t this funny’ way. I tried to stay calm but gave her a bit of an earful about how they were breaking the law. Poor poor girls.

There is no conflict between trans women’s rights and cis women’s rights

I wish someone would tell her that, under the current definition of 'trans', feminists by definition are not 'cis'.

And, as women who are neither cis not trans, we are completely erased from her words.

Hmm. Trans awareness week, apparently? Sure there was one of these not long ago..

twitter.com/KeithFarnish/status/1329087507875598343

Also as usual, right in with 'protecting womens rights is taking trans rights away!!!!11'

I think that trans women are women

I think that's a wee bit telling, Fleur. You think they are but every shred of logic and sense in your body tells you they are not. It's how words work. Not rocket science. You can say you think sea horses are horses, doesn't make it true.

I emailed my MP Ellie Reeves (shadow solicitor general no less) and got a similar reply. She’s full on ‘the most oppressed group’ etc. I feel like Labour is a lost cause. Politically homeless.

Can they explain how? More rights than women and Bank of England, google, amazon..... All mining up to kiss ass.

Is that literally mimmymums job description?

Read mumsnet.
Feel demoralised because you are dim and are unable to refute the sensible facts and opinions.
Post shite on twatter to compensate for your inadequacy.

Ellie said she pushed for self-ID. But also believes in women’s rights. I asked her how she would uphold sex based rights and implement self-ID, with examples. She hasn’t replied yet. Are they deluded? Stupid? I really cannot understand how they can’t see that they’re fighting for important facts to become optional. They’re fighting for something that isn’t true or real. People can’t change sex. How is this happening in 2020?!! It feels like a nightmare, watching ostensibly sane and intelligent people convince themselves that up is down, war is peace, science isn’t real, etc. How do they think we’re all here on this planet?! It really is unfathomable.

They've been targeted by lobbyists who inform them that anyone who doesn't believe TWAW is a nasty terf enacting literal violence with every word. They only leave the room once the mantra TWAW, TMAM and TRAHR has been chanted 10 times. Then they are required to put it in a tweet.

Or something

Its moral cowardice. They know. They're unable to face up to it, they can't even handle unpacking and looking at the issues which is why you get the cognitive dissonant mantras. They're afraid of and unable to deal with the behaviour of those who punish heresy vigorously while women might be clear that you're behaving extremely irresponsibly in a position of public responsibility while making a twit of yourself but won't make threats of extreme violence towards you and your family.

Face up to it for pete's sake Fleur and do the job you're paid for.

Cowardice - but they do know those chickens will come home to roost don’t they?

Good on Mimmymum! Maybe that will lead Fleur to this thread so she can realise how stupid she’s being and find some support to make a stand.

Labour really hates women. The internalised misogyny is strong in their MPs as well

To just deny the reality of the issues (which is essentially treating all women and their voices and rights in a way they would not dare to treat a trans activist) is about as stupid as saying Brexit isn't happening, Covid isn't real anyway and Barnard Castle absolutely is the right way to do an eye sight test.

@SmallPug

I emailed my MP Ellie Reeves (shadow solicitor general no less) and got a similar reply. She’s full on ‘the most oppressed group’ etc. I feel like Labour is a lost cause. Politically homeless.

Labour really is a lost cause they will never get enough votes for them if the silenced left leaning feminists don’t vote for them, there’s more of us than they think and they’d know how many if they would let us speak.

Marketers know it costs 5 x more to acquire a new customer compared to retaining existing customers, I wonder what the numbers are for voters?

and Barnard Castle absolutely is the right way to do an eye sight test

"Change must happen", yes, domestic violence figures which have soared must go back down, violence against women rates which have increased should go back down, rape conviction rates which have gone down must go back up.

When male violence has changed then I will "be kind". Until then these over-privileged ignoramuses really piss me off. I've given up on Labour again anyway, they're nothing but crowd-followers.

Is it cowardice? I am wondering whether they really don’t think that hard about the issues and/ or they’re stupid. Fleur saying there’s no conflict of rights, when gender identity undermines sex based rights - and undermines sense, reason and everything else?!! I don’t know about this being an election loser (unless they genuinely keep crowing loudly about it). I’m concerned that most people don’t understand or know much about this issue, my friends certainly didn’t, so it won’t be a factor when voting. I know there are a lot of engaged and intelligent women on this issue, but are we influential/ sizeable when it comes to actual voting numbers? I’m not sure. I’m wondering about producing information leaflets etc for the next election to try and raise more awareness. Do we need the worst to happen for people to wake up - I would have thought some of the things that have already happened (men in women’s sport, men in women’s prisons) would have been enough, but it seems as though people have their head in the sand.

@SmallPug

Is it cowardice? I am wondering whether they really don’t think that hard about the issues and/ or they’re stupid. Fleur saying there’s no conflict of rights, when gender identity undermines sex based rights - and undermines sense, reason and everything else?!! I don’t know about this being an election loser (unless they genuinely keep crowing loudly about it). I’m concerned that most people don’t understand or know much about this issue, my friends certainly didn’t, so it won’t be a factor when voting. I know there are a lot of engaged and intelligent women on this issue, but are we influential/ sizeable when it comes to actual voting numbers? I’m not sure. I’m wondering about producing information leaflets etc for the next election to try and raise more awareness. Do we need the worst to happen for people to wake up - I would have thought some of the things that have already happened (men in women’s sport, men in women’s prisons) would have been enough, but it seems as though people have their head in the sand.

I think it’s a mixture of cowardice and wanting to be popular. I was thinking the other day that if I wrote something like this MP wrote on social media and said I hated TERFs that I would probably get more likes than I have ever had on a social media post (I’ve deleted my Twitter so that puts a bit of a spanner in the works but this is hypothetical). That approval can be quite addictive even when you’re a grown adult. Lots of people telling you how wonderful you are and the knowledge that you will probably be left alone, unlike the women who refuse to sell themselves out. I’m also thinking about people like Nigella Lawson who attracted loads of fawning and praise for doing something similar.

They aren’t going to say something that will cause death threats, work problems, etc and these days it seems like not saying something positive can cause the same. Odd eh?