“I think you’ve missed the definition of what a man is”

[DrizzleandDamp]

I’m confused by this, so Daniel Radcliffe turns on JK when she defends the fact being a woman is more than just a feeling, or wearing “woman” stuff.

But when a right wing awful person goes after Harry Styles for wearing a dress, he says she doesn’t understand the definition of a man. Because a man in a dress, is still in fact, a man.

I’m totally lost at this point.

Not that I care Styles wore a dress, he’s a cheap knock off of Bowie and Cobain (I’m so old!), but still crack on lad.

His 'Watermelon Sugar' video was him very much a bloke cavorting with lots of beautiful women

Wearing lovely pink nail varnish while he tucked into his not at all suggestive lady shaped slice of watermelon. I think Harry is doing what is technically known as queering it up (don't @ me). In other words, exactly what half my pop idols were doing in the eighties without anywhere near as much fuss.

we had a spaniel who would catch sight of herself in the mirror- look intently at her reflection, as though trying to work it out, then with a little shake of her head, gambol off because it was just too complicated....

I absolutely know what she was experiencing when I try to unravel all this trans/gender identity stuff

It got boring from the mid 90s onwards Scout.

Stricter 'gender lines' as the years have gone on.

More 'talent factory' output. Less style and hedonism.

I think the real risk is that any man who shows an inclination to wear clothing conventionally gendered as female will be gathered under the Stonewall wing and slapped with a sticky label whether he wants to be or not!

Surely you understand that there is a raft of difference between a transgender person and someone who chooses to wear a dress either as a compulsion or simply a fashion statement

I don't actually @Nowayhozay but I'm so pleased someone who can explain what being trans means and am all ears

what does it mean to 'feel like a woman'? what are the defining characteristics of feeling like one?

Oh yeah it was Elijah sorry, that’ll be my old lady brain fog

But have Elijah Wood and Daniel Radcliffe ever been photographed together? Thats the big question

I tend to avoid Candace Owens, is she always that irritating?

And now I've just looked at the rest of that thread and its really depressing. No wonder men are so messed up these days

Well now I've seen this. Quote is a bit dubious but he means well. Good old Iggy.

Not being ageist there btw. Just a turn of phrase.

yeah some of the rest of the thread was pretty rank. reminded me why i don't go anywhere near twitter these days

Fair enough Butterer, point taken.

I have no insights to add here but I'll be gutted, properly gutted, if elijah wood turns out to be a twat. I had the crush to end all crushes on him as frodo in LOTR as a teenager, and I will accept no judgement for that. Have you seen the American version of the show Wilfred? I thought he was great in that too. I'll be so sad if he turns out to be a gender twat.

Surely you understand that there is a raft of difference between a transgender person and someone who chooses to wear a dress either as a compulsion or simply a fashion statement

I think we all recognise that @Nowayhozay

But what is happening - a LOT - is that a lot of people reverse that, and pretend that because a man wants to wear a dress, then he must actually be a woman.

That's what is bonkers.

What's wrong with feminine men??? Nothing, as far as I'm concerned.

Surely you understand that there is a raft of difference between a transgender person and someone who chooses to wear a dress either as a compulsion or simply a fashion statement

Not according to Stonewall who put 'cross dressing' under the 'transgender umbrella'.

@Nowayhozay

I am not really sure what point the op is lost on.

Surely you understand that there is a raft of difference between a transgender person and someone who chooses to wear a dress either as a compulsion or simply a fashion statement.

What is the difference, please?

I think it would really help an awful lot of us to know this.

There is no logic op, it's pretty much what Emma Watson said, "anyone is who they say they are"

But that's only if you're a man. If you are a woman and want to define your own reality and not have other people define it for you, you are a bigot and you are literally killing people

Grabthars, as far as I'm aware Elijah hasn't made any statements on the gender debate. But I don't follow him.