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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft

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MedusasBadHairDay · 10/11/2020 01:08

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/nov/10/mary-wollstonecraft-finally-honoured-with-statue-after-200-years

It's a naked woman..

Currently reading A Vindication of the Rights of Woman for an OU course, and - unless the tone changes dramatically in the second half of it - I'm not seeing how an idealised nude is the right statue to convey anything about her?

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Butterer · 10/11/2020 23:06

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Melroses · 10/11/2020 23:09

Two articles in The Times - one by Lucy Bannerman, and a comment piece by Rachel Campbell-Johnston.

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HecatesCats · 10/11/2020 23:09

Just going to scream into the void on that one. MW died in childbirth, MS miscarried, one gave birth to her own death, the other gave birth to a dead child. Alongside Prometheus and Galvanism, these were the kind of influences feeding into Frankenstein, as well as the 'unnatural' 'rise' of women. There's no trans narrative to be found here. It's about biology. This sort of nonsense makes me despair.

HecatesCats · 10/11/2020 23:13

Correction: Mary Wollstonecraft didn't die 'in' childbirth, but of septicaemia days afterwards.

Enough4me · 10/11/2020 23:15

Barbie body, transformer robot head. Makes me feel sad for the missed opportunity for a strong and authentic statue.

Butterer · 10/11/2020 23:16

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goodbyetrump · 10/11/2020 23:19

I havent RTFT but I would contribute to a crowdfunder to clothe this awful statue

janetmendoza · 10/11/2020 23:21

I really don't like it and I'm looking around for the equivalents of Charles Darwin or Winston Churchill starkers. Sorry - starkers in spirit.

Butterer · 10/11/2020 23:22

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PhoebeSnow · 10/11/2020 23:26

The woman in the green whose name I didn’t catch is making great points on this “thing “ at the moment.

PhoebeSnow · 10/11/2020 23:27

Sorry Tracey King was her name.

littlbrowndog · 10/11/2020 23:28

Yeah it’s new it’s new it’s radical.

It’s new it’s new it’s radical !!

No it’s just a naked women. As ever on statues or paintings.

Fuck all new or radical about.

justasking111 · 10/11/2020 23:28

I think the woman in green was very tight lipped not igniting a debate in any way which was a shame.

littlbrowndog · 10/11/2020 23:28

Tracey was shite

justasking111 · 10/11/2020 23:29

@littlbrowndog

Yeah it’s new it’s new it’s radical.

It’s new it’s new it’s radical !!

No it’s just a naked women. As ever on statues or paintings.

Fuck all new or radical about.

The emperors new clothes springs to mind.
littlbrowndog · 10/11/2020 23:30

Why was she sittin* back like someone was going to, attack her

The presenter gave her all the help to get her points over but Tracey only had one

littlbrowndog · 10/11/2020 23:31

Which was a good one about why girls would relate to a naked woman on a lump or why they would even understand the link at all

Butterer · 10/11/2020 23:31

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justasking111 · 10/11/2020 23:34

Tracy King has written a book called Learning to think... ummm....

Escapeplanning · 10/11/2020 23:37

I think it stinks

BahHumbygge · 10/11/2020 23:55

Reminds me of seeing the Little Mermaid in Copenhagen a couple of years ago... another famously tiny, disappointing and underwhelming nude. A dark allegory about the lot of many women... seeking male validation from the handsome prince, a deadly deal with an evil seawitch, suffering agonising pains from bodily modification from mermaid into human form, and a tragic ending which condemned her to be a "support human" serving mankind for 300 years.

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DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 11/11/2020 00:13

The Churchill statue is vigorous; he’s striding forward with purpose and wearing a generic coat which would have been normal attire anytime in the last 400 years. So not definec by his clothes.

And Darwin has his tackle modestly covered, while being allowed the dignity of an ageing human body. And nudity, for Darwin, nods to those pictures we’ve all seen, of the progression of human bodies in evolution. There is a point there.

But poor Mary. Apart from anything else, desirable 18th century bodies for women are not the toned and perky ones of 2020 Instagram, so she’s been displaced from her own history.

She emerges, tiny, passively, from a blob, gazing vacantly around with her bits on show. Her breasts are almost bigger than her head. No books or pen or article of clothing to suggest an individual who shook up the world.

When you think about it; it’s a pretty good representation of how the world thinks about women. So the sculpture tells us nothing about Mary Wollstonecroft, but captures the zeitgeist of attitudes toward women in 2020 with fair accuracy.

HecatesCats · 11/11/2020 00:17

'Statue to alleged witches executed in Prestonpans, East Lothian'

Statue to honour Wollstonecraft
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