Chrissy Teigen, a Democrat and her bathrooms comment!

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I’m British, and have lived in the US, west coast, for over 20 years. I voted today for Joe, but I’ve started to feel more and more pushed out, due to certain groups taking precedent.

I saw this on Twitter from Chrissy (yes, I know) but WTAF. “It’s insane what our fears are if we lose, compared to their fears if Biden wins. like we will prob all die or be handmaids and they’re worried about bathroom safety”. And the comments too OMG.
twitter.com/chrissyteigen/status/1323819299270619137

I know Chrissy and her husband John legend are Democrats and this is par for the course. But seriously, safeguarding women and children means this little that she’d make a comment like this. Why is it so hard to explain to the uber woke?

Also, I did want to mention, they recently suffered a loss of pregnancy, and as a fellow bereaved mother, I do feel for them very much. It’s just devastating and never leaves, you only learn to live with it. ❤️

And it's shit like this which is why many "Karens" have turned away from liberal politics. All I have heard from US left leaning commentators over the last year is Karen, Karen, Karen. Somehow "Karen" is responsible for all the world's ills. It's Karen who has been oppressing black people and stopping young people getting on the housing ladder. We'll just conveniently forget that for half of the last 30 years, Democrat men were in the driving seat of political reform, not Karen. Judging by the shell shocked CNN commentators I am currently watching, Karen and her mates have decided Trump hates them a little less.

Great post about the Karen vote. Couldn’t agree more.

Karen and her mates have decided Trump hates them a little less

I think that sums up US politics pefectly.

Yes, the Karen comment that followed the original tweet was what stuck out. I’m a middle age white woman, so the Karen abuse is definitely my demographic.

Seeing prominent and intelligent women like CT nonchalantly dismissing the hard fought rights of women and girls to fully participate in society - such as being able to toilet with safety, privacy and dignity - is sad to see.

Maybe she needs to read the Mumnset thread on what women and girls do in the bathroom.

And sadly - yes - miscarriage is on the list.

It's really disappointing, I suspect there are many Democrats who have concerns about gender ideology who dare not speak out for fear of wrong think. They always bring it back to bathrooms because they think it ridicules women. It's just symptomatic of internalised misogyny. I admire her in many ways, but she's protected by immense wealth and privilege from the issues she ridicules other women for worrying about.

I quite like what Téa Smith said (she's on twitter and YouTube, funny australian, tech and politics background, now in the gender debate), which is not to even engage about toilets, because it is designed to sound petty. Prisons, sports, and rape shelters carry more weight. I still think toilets matter and CT is being immature. Also we can't be "handmaids" if sex doesn't matter, eh Chrissie?

Toilets does seem to be a get out clause for not taking women's concerns seriously. It's right that there are many other important issues and they should be highlighted, but it is also a real worry for some women.

I think not being able to use the word woman any more is ridiculous, but people like Chrissie would never mock Trans people for finding words so painful.

I'm confused (easily happens) - is the new word for woman now "Karen"?

@IwishNothingButTheBestForYou2

I'm confused (easily happens) - is the new word for woman now "Karen"?

Interchangeable with vulva people I believe

Surely the risk of becoming handmaidens is greater if support for TWAW means they have a right to have children of their own?
Which would mean being allocated a womb-haver.

This new narrative that states woman don’t have “real problems” is dangerous.

Women no matter their demographic get roses, abused and discriminated against. It’s endemic and to pretend it’s not and to see other woman pretending it’s not is horrifying.

This is all just such a massive 'two wrongs don't make a right', with women and girls being screwed one way or the other.

@PegasusReturns

This new narrative that states woman don’t have “real problems” is dangerous.

Women no matter their demographic get roses, abused and discriminated against. It’s endemic and to pretend it’s not and to see other woman pretending it’s not is horrifying.

Watching a "progressive" US channel this morning, The Young Turks. Much wailing about the election. Apparently, Trump voters are "obsessed with identity politics". They interpret the confusion over, the distress caused by, and the questioning of unilaterally imposed terminology and policies aimed at erasing women's rights as us being obsessed. Being obsessed because we won't shut up and just do as we are told.

The bloody stupid thing is that the vast majority of women are interested in the same things they are: job security, fair wages, universal healthcare, electoral reform, equality of opportunity, education. But who wants to be told that, no matter what your track record as a decent and considerate person, no matter for what and for whom you have campaigned and worked for the greater good, no matter what your own experiences have been under a system that fundamentally does not work for you, you are just wrong? Your thoughts are wrong. Your concerns are wrong. Everything about you is wrong. Your existence is an affront to a minority of people over whose lives you have had next to no influence or power.

How long before the liberal analysts start on the white women who had the temerity to vote for Trump, the black women on whose votes they rely who didn't turn up for them, and those Latinas who are religious and conservative, and don't share their values, but who somehow are expected to vote for them? Just like the British Labour Party, the Democrats will likely do nothing to try to understand why these groups turned away from them or simply will never be affiliated with them. More likely, they will double down on our Karenish obsession with toilets and how hateful we are. The reason for this: because women carry the load, and know that, even when in power, the Democrats have neither come through for women with policies that address their concerns, nor do they really have any real ideas how to deal with the poverty burden that rests mostly on women's shoulders. It's much, much easier for them to focus on the spurious interests of a tiny minority, or bandwagon a movement like BLM (who I wager are not supported by the majority of black people, who are traditionally conservative and religious, and seem to attract a lot of bored, white teens happy to destroy black business owners' property in the name of progress). At the same time, tell the women who are constantly let down by liberal governments, who are constantly at the bottom of the pile, that they don't actually have any real problems.

I saw this quote from Sam Harris who I am no fan of, and of course he presents himself as the pinnacle of victimhood but I still think he nails it. At least Trump doesn't embody the sanctimonious self righteousness of identity politics.

On the same theme, I quite liked James Lindsay's "bourgeois" thread:

twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1310411503930146816

Excerpt:

There's a simple explanation for why the lower class on the right and the upper class on the right unite into a single coalition very naturally. They're not bourgeois.

The working class generally understand that there are elites in society, and that genuine elites have earned fabulous lives where they get somewhat different rules. They sometimes aspire to maybe, if they're lucky, one day join that class, but mostly they think it's fitting.

What the working class hates with great hate are fake elite posers (the bourgeois) who pretend to be people's betters without producing anything of any real value and then believe they're above the rest of society and the rules, except they didn't earn it.

I used to think the right's depiction of the left as sneering elitists was an unfair caricature. Maybe it used to be - maybe it was singling out a nasty minority tendency. But that unpleasant tendency is clearly mainstream now within the nominal "left", particularly in America, almost totally eclipsing any real class consciousness.

@IwishNothingButTheBestForYou2

I'm confused (easily happens) - is the new word for woman now "Karen"?

A Karen is someone like what happened Emmett Tiller. They created an unnecessary stress on people that should be there

Sorry Emmett Till not tiller

Anyway some things are not consider a "Karen"

Also it should be creating stress that "should NOT be there"

None of your posts makes sense. Emmett Till was murdered by men, not a woman. The stress in that situation was the Jim Crow laws - again, not the responsibility of women. Why are you making a woman responsible for the actions of men?

How are women standing up for their rights, and being branded "Karens" for refusing to bow down, anything to do with Emmett Till?

@Blueberries0112

Sorry Emmett Till not tiller

Anyway some things are not consider a "Karen"

There's way more to that story, it's one of white male violence and dominance through fear. This is from Helen Lewis's excellent article on the Karen meme in The Atlantic:

That story is vital to understanding America’s Karen mythology. A white woman’s complaint led white male authority to enact violence on a Black person, and neither she nor they suffered any consequences. Roy Bryant and his half brother were put on trial for Till’s murder, but acquitted by an all-white, all-male jury. Within a racist, patriarchal system, Bryant Donham’s fragility—her white femininity—was not a weakness, but a weapon, because she could always call on white men to protect her. (Yet even that case is more morally complex than it once seemed. In 2017, the Duke University professor Timothy B. Tyson, who was researching a book on the case, discovered that Roy Bryant was physically abusive to his wife. “The circumstances under which she told the story were coercive,” he told The New York Timess_. “She’s horrified by it. There’s clearly a great burden of guilt and sorrow.”)

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/karen-meme-coronavirus/615355/

FWIW, Karen votes Biden.

www.nytimes.com/2020/11/02/briefing/the-2020-vote-preferences-of-102-common-first-names.html

The most Trump women's names are:

Janet (+32%)
Cheryl
Betty
Debra
Donna
Nancy
Jennifer
Brenda
Ashley
Diane
Kimberly
Pamela
Virginia
Jessica
June
Angela
Christine
Linda (+1%)

all of which prefer Trump, while the most Biden names (down to 50/50) were:

Sarah (+44%)
Dorothy
Catherine
Margaret
Jane
Heather [this is another one, see the 1988 movie]
Kathleen
Maria
Rebecca
Judith
Karen (+20%)
Amy
Shirley
Cynthia
Katherine
Barbara
Nicole
Marilyn
Sandra
Deborah
Laura
Ann
Patricia
Lisa
Melissa
Carolyn
Elizabeth
Carol
Sharon
Susan
Mary
Michelle
Amanda (+1)

If everyone was 'Karen', Biden would have won the second-largest landslide in history (after FDR).

Despite the popular perception of Karen as a Trump supporter, this (rather silly but still interesting) NYT poll finds 60% of Karens support Biden this year. It’s Richard we need to watch out for...

www.nytimes.com/2020/11/02/briefing/the-2020-vote-preferences-of-102-common-first-names.html