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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

International Pronouns Day

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TartanLassie · 21/10/2020 11:56

Message from the local education establishment.
So many things I want to say .....

Today is International Pronouns Day and we’re inviting you to celebrate it with us.

Using the correct pronoun (she/he/they) is incredibly important to members of the trans and gender non-conforming community. In fact, being called the wrong pronoun can be particularly harmful to their mental health and wellbeing, but it can be hard for people to share their pronoun when it isn’t something everyone does.

Many people use traditional “he/she” and “his/hers” pronouns, but some prefer to use “they/them”. Additionally some people change their pronouns depending on how they feel – you’ll sometimes see people use “she/they”.

Here are some things that you can do to help:
• Have a look at this website: https://www.mypronouns.org//_ It contains useful information on why it matters and how to use inclusive language
• Consider adding your pronouns to your email signature This helps to normalise the practice, making it easier for people who do not use gendered pronouns to use theirs. (This can also be useful for people with a name which isn’t necessarily male or female, like Sam)
• Consider putting your preferred pronouns in your social media bios
• When meeting new people or introducing yourself to a group for the first time, perhaps think about introducing yourself including your pronouns.
• In the same way, start to avoid assuming the pronouns that people use – if in doubt ask, or use the non-gender specific ‘they’ until you’re sure
• If you use the wrong pronoun by mistake, it is ok to apologise, ask or thank the person for clarification, and move on
• Gently correct people who are using the wrong pronoun to describe someone

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CaraDuneRedux · 21/10/2020 12:01

My pronouns are "feck/off".

The furthest I'd go with this nonsense is maybe (if pushed) putting something in my email signature to the effect of "please feel free to let me know how you are comfortable being addressed." That's common politeness. But I won't be signing up to this ridiculous ideology myself.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 21/10/2020 12:02

Just ignore it.

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/10/2020 12:04

Oh good god.....

Fuck that shit

FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 12:06

I think it’s the same day as reptile day...

HDDD · 21/10/2020 12:17

I get very ragey about this. I can't fully articulate why, except to say it's regressive bollocks. The fact this is being led by the NHS when said NHS has much more important things to deal with just adds to the rage.

CaraDuneRedux · 21/10/2020 12:19

@FairFridaythe13th

I think it’s the same day as reptile day...
Yay, I shall change mine from "feck/off" to "reptilia/squamata/lacertilia" (that's "lizard" for ease of references... means I get to feature in all sorts of people's conspiracy theories).
FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 12:20

I’m just not playing. My prerogative... 🦎

Mollyollydolly · 21/10/2020 12:32

We're in the middle of a Pandemic, peoples lives going down the shitter and they send that out .. I mean just sod right off with this rubbish.

persistentwoman · 21/10/2020 12:34

Where's that excellent thread with all the very good reasons and evidence why displaying pronouns actually disadvantages women in the work place?

EvenSupposing · 21/10/2020 12:36

@FairFridaythe13th

I think it’s the same day as reptile day...
Good point. Definitely wins the thread.

🐢🐢🐢🐢

viques · 21/10/2020 12:38

I sign up to Speak like a Pirate Day , but shiver me timbers, I am not putting my X on this one Captain.

How about a day when nobody tries to guilt other people into feeling anxious because we might accidentally and unintentionally hurt their sensitive souls?

RozWatching · 21/10/2020 12:39

This time last year...
(What will Starmer do?)

unherd.com/2019/10/dont-you-dare-ask-my-pronouns/
by Julie Bindel

"My name is Jeremy Corbyn and my pronouns are he/him.”

These were the opening words from the Labour Party leader at the Pink News Awards yesterday.

Corbyn hadn’t want to miss an opportunity to virtue signal — on International Pronoun Day, no less. He has impeccable trans-inclusive politics, even supporting the inclusion of men who identify as women on all-female shortlists. Corbyn’s self-appointed advisor on all things trans, Owen Jones, has made it clear to the Labour leader that in order to be on the “right side of history” one must put male-bodied trans women before actual women.

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1184538493248311296

So, as the bearded, twice married father stepped up to the podium at the awards, Corbyn ensured that everyone knew that he identified as male, as opposed to either a woman (she/her) or non-binary (they/them, or ze/zim).

Most of my friends and colleagues block the extremely trans-woke Pink News site from their social media feeds because of the toxic levels of misogyny on its pages. But Corbyn’s words did make it through to the mainstream. They were widely reported by the wokeing class dudebros who were as proud as punch of their Absolute Boy.

But I don’t see anything to be proud of. Indeed, this obsession with pronouns is extremely worrying. Especially now the police have joined in. The same week that government statistics were released showing rape convictions down to a shocking 1.4% of those reported, Deputy Chief Constable Julie Cooke of Cheshire Police found the time to make a video to mark IPD, telling us that for many people, “Being misgendered can have a huge impact on somebody and their personal wellbeing.” So can being raped, but let’s get our priorities right, shall we?"

FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 12:50

Starmer will play. As will the London mayor...

RozWatching · 21/10/2020 13:01

Penny Mordaunt (she/her) was there with Corbyn last year.
Can't see any pronouns in Penny's Twitter profile today. She must have forgotten, someone should give her a prod.

MingeofDeath · 21/10/2020 13:04

So by using incorrect pronouns you will be worsening someone's mental health problems? I would suggest that if someone's mental health is so fragile that this causes them distress then they need professional help. It is not up to wider society to facilitate someone's mental health needs.

jellyfrizz · 21/10/2020 13:06

(This can also be useful for people with a name which isn’t necessarily male or female, like Sam)

Why? Why is it useful for Sam to be labelled male or female?

FloralBunting · 21/10/2020 13:06

Excellent. I will celebrate International Pronouns day, because I am very pro nouns.

Woman is my favourite.

LastTrainEast · 21/10/2020 13:08

I'm exempt because I'm an atheist. I'll use he/him for men and she/her for women. I didn't join the Catholic church, I didn't join the Moonies and I'm not joining this one either.

FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 13:10

@jellyfrizz

(This can also be useful for people with a name which isn’t necessarily male or female, like Sam)

Why? Why is it useful for Sam to be labelled male or female?

True - if I am working remotely with Sam and send Sam an email - I don't actually care about Sam, just if Sam will do their job.

Their gender - or even sex - matters not a jot.

FloralBunting · 21/10/2020 13:10

Why is it useful for Sam to be labelled male or female?

So Sam can be accorded the respect or discrimination due to his or her sex, of course.

CaraDuneRedux · 21/10/2020 13:12

@FloralBunting

Why is it useful for Sam to be labelled male or female?

So Sam can be accorded the respect or discrimination due to his or her sex, of course.

That's reminded me of the old Northern Irish joke about the bloke arriving in the new village, and getting asked,

"So, are you a Protestant or a Catholic?"

"I'm an atheist..."

"Aye, but are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?"

TartanLassie · 21/10/2020 13:13

It made me equally upset and angry when I read their statement. This is one of the best educational establishments in the UK, for its course content.

It is an establishment whose learners were probably as unwokable as unwokable can be.

They won't be after reading that shite! How else are they being brainwashed? I could cry.

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DeliciouslyFemale · 21/10/2020 13:14

I would make sure they aren’t involving children in this nonsense! Is it an adult education establishment or children’s school? If my child ever gets asked by her college to put down her pronoun (SNs/autism) I will blow a gasket with them.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/10/2020 13:16

If it's 'international pronouns day', does that mean we can choose pronouns from another language? ConfusedGrin

DeliciouslyFemale · 21/10/2020 13:18

Sorry. Cross post. I think you should send them an email using the excellent points on a couple of the other threads, especially telling them that the push to use pronouns may be having a detrimental effect on those who are struggling with their identity. They are basically being put under pressure to ‘out’ themselves before they’re ready. That could be dreamed as bullying and even transphobic, as a trans person may feel that they have to either put themselves or use a pronoun that they’re not comfortable with. Out woke their wokeness. 😁

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