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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

International Pronouns Day

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TartanLassie · 21/10/2020 11:56

Message from the local education establishment.
So many things I want to say .....

Today is International Pronouns Day and we’re inviting you to celebrate it with us.

Using the correct pronoun (she/he/they) is incredibly important to members of the trans and gender non-conforming community. In fact, being called the wrong pronoun can be particularly harmful to their mental health and wellbeing, but it can be hard for people to share their pronoun when it isn’t something everyone does.

Many people use traditional “he/she” and “his/hers” pronouns, but some prefer to use “they/them”. Additionally some people change their pronouns depending on how they feel – you’ll sometimes see people use “she/they”.

Here are some things that you can do to help:
• Have a look at this website: https://www.mypronouns.org//_ It contains useful information on why it matters and how to use inclusive language
• Consider adding your pronouns to your email signature This helps to normalise the practice, making it easier for people who do not use gendered pronouns to use theirs. (This can also be useful for people with a name which isn’t necessarily male or female, like Sam)
• Consider putting your preferred pronouns in your social media bios
• When meeting new people or introducing yourself to a group for the first time, perhaps think about introducing yourself including your pronouns.
• In the same way, start to avoid assuming the pronouns that people use – if in doubt ask, or use the non-gender specific ‘they’ until you’re sure
• If you use the wrong pronoun by mistake, it is ok to apologise, ask or thank the person for clarification, and move on
• Gently correct people who are using the wrong pronoun to describe someone

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Caroncanta · 21/10/2020 14:47

Now I have to duckduckgo it. I can't help myself. Obviously. 😂

FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 14:49

Dont say you weren't warned.

lazylinguist · 21/10/2020 14:49

Excellent. As a linguist I'd like to celebrate International Pronouns Day by teaching the uninitiated all about relative pronouns, possessive pronouns, reflexive pronouns, subject and object pronouns and demonstrative pronouns. I think it's verging on discriminatory that the only pronouns being given any attention are he/she/they/him/her/them tbh. Halloween Smile

Caroncanta · 21/10/2020 14:50

Omg 😂 they look like penises. Big fat willies 😂

Cocothefirst · 21/10/2020 15:19

Ewwwwww.

FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 15:21

Are they edible? I cant quite imagine why anyone would want to...

FemaleAndLearning · 21/10/2020 15:33

My goodness them hagfish are huge! Take a look at the slime eating hagfish. Teeth!

Xiaoxiong · 21/10/2020 15:34

Oh @Kaiserin SadFlowers You are a real person, I see you. You are worthy, no matter what pronouns you use or are forced to disclose. Hugs.

CousinKrispy · 21/10/2020 15:36

Hugs Kaiserin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/10/2020 15:39

Oh those poor snowflakes! Won't somebody please help the snowflakes before it's too late and they turn up to watch us die in a fire ?

At least they'll melt first.

Doyoumind · 21/10/2020 15:42

It's just too much. Genuinely not a week goes by where there isn't a day centring the trans community one way or another. Why aren't we focusing on people in danger of genuine harm instead of people with so much privilege their day is ruined if someone refers to them as the wrong pronoun - and not even to their face as gendered pronouns have no place in a conversation when you are talking to the person involved?

WagnersFourthSymphony · 21/10/2020 15:50

Ahem

being called the wrong pronoun can be particularly harmful to their mental health and wellbeing, but it can be hard for people to share their pronoun when it isn’t something everyone does.

No guilt-tripping here. Being trans or bi is/is not a mental health issue.

FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 15:52

The poor kid used on the NHS twitter has tiger-stripes all down their arm. Looks like some nasty self harm cuts.

Of course it may not be. But it looks like it. I’d be focussing on that
if I was their parent/doctor.

Delphinium20 · 21/10/2020 16:02

@lazylinguist Thanks thanks for being inclusive of all the pronouns.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/10/2020 16:05

@lazylinguist

Excellent. As a linguist I'd like to celebrate International Pronouns Day by teaching the uninitiated all about relative pronouns, possessive pronouns, reflexive pronouns, subject and object pronouns and demonstrative pronouns. I think it's verging on discriminatory that the only pronouns being given any attention are he/she/they/him/her/them tbh. Halloween Smile
Go on then. Grin
DeliciouslyFemale · 21/10/2020 16:07

@lazylinguist

Excellent. As a linguist I'd like to celebrate International Pronouns Day by teaching the uninitiated all about relative pronouns, possessive pronouns, reflexive pronouns, subject and object pronouns and demonstrative pronouns. I think it's verging on discriminatory that the only pronouns being given any attention are he/she/they/him/her/them tbh. Halloween Smile
OP should include every single one of them in her pronoun choice. Of course she/he/them/..... will be very offended if each and every one is not included in any communications. Grin
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/10/2020 16:28

I have been told that putting pronouns in an email reduces stigma for trans and NB people. How?

Surely it pressurises people to come out and announce their gender status publicly? Isn't that against the law?

So, that's why I don't do it - I'm in solidarity with people who are unsure of their pronouns. Like me, I'm a bit fuzzy on the grammar because I'm quite sure that pronouns didn't feature in my English class in the 80s.

Escapeplanning · 21/10/2020 16:28

I think when you are at the point of needing pages and pages of explanation for a thing on a website then you are presenting something which is too complicated.

It's a no from me.

JellySlice · 21/10/2020 16:46

Using the correct pronoun is incredibly important to members of the ASD/ESL/just-about-anybody-vaguely-rational community. In fact, being forced to refer to people by the wrong pronoun can be particularly harmful to their mental health and wellbeing, as that would be lying/confusing/coerced speech.

DryHeave · 21/10/2020 17:28

They’re asking “what pronouns do you use for yourself?”

Surely you can only use my/me/I?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/10/2020 17:33

Surely it pressurises people to come out and announce their gender status publicly? Isn't that against the law?

I think it's on distinctly dodgy ground.

Quaagars · 21/10/2020 17:38

Saw International Pronoun Day trending on twitter earlier, so went to have a look.
Quite a few asking people who aren't trans to put their pronouns in bio as well to "normalise" it for trans people (for want of a better word)
which I think is a nice idea.
Haven't done it myself though as don't personally feel the need to, got no problem with anyone who does though.
Loads of the comments though like "as if, you're not a bloke" to some who are tweeting - I mean why? Why take time out of your day to send that to someone?
Put your pronouns or don't put your pronouns, personal choice in my opinion.

Falleninwiththewrongcrowd · 21/10/2020 19:22

In discussions about gendered and gender-neutral pronouns, I haven't seen "man" mentioned as a pronoun, although it is quite common in informal speech among young people. It seems to be a very versatile pronoun, used as 1st person by males and females, as 2nd person when addressing either sex, as well as 3rd person and as an indefinite pronoun (like "man" in German), i.e. "man" can replace "I", "me", "you", "he", "him", "she", "her" and "one". I'm not sure if "man" is also used as a plural, but wouldn't be surprised.

334bu · 21/10/2020 19:30

Research has proven that women are treated less favourably than their male counterparts on emails and social media so forcing women to out themselves in the workplace is discriminatory in the extreme.

Words · 21/10/2020 19:46

Goodness me , doesn't time fly! Personal Pronouns Day has come round again so quickly this year...
Grin

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