‘We’re takin it down now’??!

[AchieveBelieve]

The mental health thread has been zapped. I suppose I should have expected it - I was feeling raw last night and probably opened up more than I should have on here. Lots of other women were frank and open about the impact of the current women’s rights issues on their mental health and it made for somber reading but fucking hell it was a testament to the feeling of so many women on here. And it was deleted because of the opening post, even though that was written over 2 years ago?! It wasn’t ‘civil’ apparently. I can’t remember what it said to be honest. Maybe it overstepped I don’t know. But I’m raging at the cavalier deletion message that ended with ‘we’re takin it down’ - sounds like something you’d say in a computer game. If my post contravened anything I would have appreciated a message from MN. Especially given the nature of the posts I would have expected some sensitivity rather than the gung ho deletion message.

I appreciate this will get deleted too as a TAAT but just thought I’d vent.

Try Site Stuff, or email them? I didn't see it, sorry, but it's a bit weird to delete a two year old thread .

A cynic might think its time to start archiving old threads that are being mysteriously bumped.

I give up if that thread was removed. This is getting depressing now which was what that thread was trying to talk about.

If you want an Ovarit invite I still have about 5 left. What a mess we find ourselves in.

Especially given the nature of the posts I would have expected some sensitivity rather than the gung ho deletion message

Youd think wouldnt you.

Im so sorry achieve i didnt read it but its horrible to pour your heart out and have that type of response

That's shocking.

I'm really sorry Achieve, why can't women share their mental health stories here? Why can't they speak the truth about the impact?

A cynic might think its time to start archiving old threads that are being mysteriously bumped.

Break it down for me needs archiving.

I'm so sorry it was me who resurrected it, I'd had a shit day and that thread made it better, it's not so bad when you feel less isolated

I think how deletion of whole threads happen should be much more (to use the jargon) transparent.

Even if in this instance the opening post was uncivil(?) but had not been challenged in 2 years, something really strange is going on. And if somehow "standards" have changed in those 2 years, why couldn't the opening post be edited or paraphrased.

As already said given the topic grossly insensititve, but also on any thread if women have contributed to an ongoing discussion it is really high handed to just dumpt all that in the bin.

@mnhq - please explain on what grounds you have censored so many comments, and why this has happened now but was not thought necessary for the past 2 years. If for instance someone had posted inaccurate medical / health information, that could be deleted. How can we have any faith in participating in this forum if retrospectively you delete threads.

As has been confirmed by today's discussion on Radio 4 mumsnet is not only a support network for those who post, but for the many others who read it and get comfort from know they are not alone in how they think.

And if it was a lone voice finding it uncomfortable reading that is sad, but not the grounds for silencing / erasing everyone else.

It's not your fault Hubert.

Hubert you are right, we should be able to add stuff to new threads. They are our threads, its what they are for.

Sorry that should be old threads. not new ones.

I'm sorry the thread was deleted, I would have liked to have read it but I didn't see it.

Adding comments to an old thread happens for all sorts of reasons ie a new development to an issue.

But in this case for someone finding somewhere they thought was safe to unload, seems exactly right.

So no way HubertHerbert was it your fault.

Maybe we need a thread open to all who have had a shit day to come and let off steam or have a bit of a rant!

That thread was deleted because it was reported, not because it was resurrected. What I mean is, everything posted here is initially uncensored. But if someone reports, it can be deleted. So two years ago this thread was fine, but today the outside monitors are really trying to shut down conversation.

Imagine trying to stop people reaching out for mental health support. Imagine that mindset. And then MN saying "we're takin it down now"? Too much.

What was this thread about?

I don't believe in any kind of censorship

WTF. In what version of Mumsnet is support around mental health ‘not in the spirit’?

You can bet someone said their mental health was affected by allowing women speak about our own mental health..

Goldfish, the thread was, to paraphrase, about the mental health impact on women and girls of being told in much of our culture that female human existence is nasty, disgusting, unspeakable and unkind to mention out loud.

FWIW Spinster.xyz is a really good place, as a supplement to sticking it out here. Moderation there comes from a very pro-female-rights point of view.

It was titled: Women's mental health is being damaged by our forced extinction I will be wild and post a redacted portion, just for a taste. If this post is deleted, so be it. I am being so careful with language, cutting out paragraphs and with *s that quite honestly I feel like I am in a totalitarian state:

The reality of being forced by my government to be complicit to * that goes against every scientific fact in my head is damaging to my mental health. The instant dismissal of all truthful data collection fries my logic chip.

The way child abuse is being legitimised and has been rushpushed into government health, social and education policy in less than a decade WITH NO ETHICAL EXAMINATION OR STUDY gives me nightmares and makes me sick to my stomach on a daily basis.

I am so angry, so distraught, so appalled that the total class erasure of women is expected to continue unnoticed and unimpeded. I know we are all doing our bit, I feel it is too late, the rug has been pulled from under us.

For me personally this has absolutely devastated me, my world view and self view is irreparably damaged.

So, NITS I guess.

Not in the spirit? I am never quite sure what this means. Is it that, as women, we have to realise that us getting angry and upset makes people uncomfortable? That women are supposed to take their oppression cheerfully and politely?

I felt sad when I posted on that thread. Now I feel defeated. There really is no place for women in this world now is there?

Don't lose heart, we're still here. We can keep speaking truthfully.

Maybe we need a whole thread each just to say how sad we are. I could write a bloody book right now.

That was my thread.

I was a bit surprised to see it surface yesterday but then I read through it and thought look how many feel the same way.

Thoroughly shocked to get a stern ticking off from MNTowers today though

I include here for those of you on this thread, which we all know will vanish shortly, possibly with me too from the tone of my reprimand - for a post written in 2018 was it? I nc often (because of you know who) but have been around here almost as long as Justine and I sincerely hope the years I have contributed are not to be erased now by shifting sands of cancel culture.

We're just getting in touch to let you know that we've deleted one of your thread here.
This tone of derision for transgender people crosses the line of what we think is acceptable on the boards.

We know you'll be disappointed with our decision, but while we want to allow everyone to express their opinions on this issue, it's important that the debate remains civil and constructive.

As noted in our guidelines, we've introduced a three strikes system whereby users deleted more than three times in any rolling six week period will have their membership automatically suspended and we’ll then take a view as to whether they will have membership reinstated. We're considering this your first strike.

We'd be really grateful if you could post within the guidelines from now on.

Best wishes
MNHQ

I still have no idea how I was derisive about others. My recollection is that it was about my mental health, not other people, me speaking about me, my world, my place in it. Me.

All you FWIW Vipers, I bloody love you all