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Debbie and Stephanie Hayton interview transcript

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Clymene · 17/10/2020 12:02

I thought the women of FWR might be interested in the interview that Debbie and Stephanie did with the Straight Spouse Network podcast this week.

It explains quite a lot about Stephanie's demeanour in their interview with Stella O'Malley for her documentary.

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R0wantrees · 23/10/2020 08:07

@testing987654321

But does having a female teacher in years 10 and 11 help girls decide whether to take A-level physics? After four years the answer seems to be “probably not”. Changing my gender role seems to have had no more effect than other strategies that I have employed over the years.

As someone who was inspired to study physics by my brilliant female physics teachers I can't express how angry this statement makes me.

If you look at DH's Twitter, the pinned tweet is a biography thread. The interview this comes from is in the first tweet. The thread was pinned in June. So DH still thinks that offensive interview is the best way to introduce himself.

Its important to consider that article in 'Physics World' & offensive claims by Dr Hayton within the context of his wife's work as described in the introductions of the interview:

Stephanie Hayton teaches physics in Birmingham England as a female physics teacher. She has supported and encouraged girls to study the subject and take up careers in the physical. Sciences and Engineering.

Physics World, Education & Outreach
'Gender balance, one woman at a time'
29 Sep 2016

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"When physics teacher Debbie Hayton transitioned from male to female, she conducted some “controlled social observations” in her classroom. In this article (originally published in Lateral Thoughts, Physics World’s regular column of humorous and offbeat essays about physics and physicists), she reflects on her experiences

"...The following day the other class sat in the same place as I geared up for a repeat performance. For some now forgotten reason, however, I had chosen to wear a skirt that day rather than trousers. I was already well into my run-up when I realized that the activity needed to be replanned as a matter of urgency. The class had to make do with the balloon being stuck to the wall on the other side of the room.

Some activities have definitely got better. I now join the other long-haired people on the styrofoam platform when the Van de Graaff generator comes out, and jewellery can be very useful when demonstrating magnetic and non-magnetic materials. Much of mine, it seems, is fabricated from mild steel rather than more precious materials. But in other respects I miss things that I took for granted. Moving heavy trolleys with dodgy wheels is more of a struggle as I have lost upper body strength and I have first-hand experience of the different way that men and women can be perceived when they open their mouths in meetings. I hasten to add that children seem remarkably free of the prejudices that seem to trouble some folks of my generation about women when it comes to physics and engineering.

But does having a female teacher in years 10 and 11 help girls decide whether to take A-level physics? After four years the answer seems to be “probably not”. Changing my gender role seems to have had no more effect than other strategies that I have employed over the years... In any case, I can sense a sigh of relief from my male colleagues: none of you need to take this particular plunge for the sake of physics."

physicsworld.com/a/gender-balance-one-woman-at-a-time/

I wonder if Stephanie Hayton has had much opportunity to share the successful strategies and insights which she has employed to encourage more girls into the physical sciences and engineering. I should like to hear more from her and other female physics teachers.

testing987654321 · 23/10/2020 08:26

I have no doubt that the strategy most successfully employed by Stephanie has simply been a female teacher successfully teaching. Seeing someone a bit like yourself doing something really helps.

I would love to see her interviewed about it.

TinselAngel · 23/10/2020 10:55

It's pretty arrogant to write an article like that and not mention that you have a wife who is an actual female physics teacher.

I happen to know that the interviewees for the Straight Spouse Network podcasts write their own bio, so Stephanie must have particularly wanted that emphasising.

RozWatching · 23/10/2020 11:20

YY Oxyiz it's a bit "I piss on your boundaries", isn't it.

That article Shock. Offensive on so many levels. Who decided that this person is an ally to women? Why? I don't get it.

EvenSupposing · 23/10/2020 11:48

Ooh. There was an amazing piece of forced teaming in sometging recently - totally obvious and manipulative. Was it on the Moral Maze when they did TG stuff? It was a TW vicar who basicallly said 'I expect x (woman on the panel) and I have lots of shared experience.' Anyone remember?

Datun · 23/10/2020 11:55

I had no idea Stephanie was a physics teacher, too.

Cocothefirst · 23/10/2020 11:58

I had no idea either

testing987654321 · 23/10/2020 13:06

That article . Offensive on so many levels. Who decided that this person is an ally to women? Why? I don't get it.

I know. I was furious after reading it and this person still puts it as their top "go to link" to show who they are.

FloralBunting · 23/10/2020 13:09

EvenSupposing Rachel Mann. They of the lurid poems about teenaged girls on buses.

Melroses · 23/10/2020 14:14

@Datun

I had no idea Stephanie was a physics teacher, too.
And also a PhD.
EvenSupposing · 23/10/2020 18:09

@FloralBunting

EvenSupposing Rachel Mann. They of the lurid poems about teenaged girls on buses.
Yes! Was it the Moral Maze?

I haven't seen the poems. Do I want to or will they make me vomit a little bit in my mouth?

EvenSupposing · 23/10/2020 18:13

'that arse she wields as a weapon'?

Envy not envy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/10/2020 20:02

Wow.

Melroses · 23/10/2020 20:20

Found it - you tube remembered where I had listened up to Envy

SoulofanAggron · 24/10/2020 01:00

I listened to the interview today- Stephanie came across quite assertively I thought.

TinselAngel · 29/11/2020 11:21

From yesterday:

Debbie and Stephanie Hayton interview transcript
EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 29/11/2020 11:24

@TinselAngel

From yesterday:
Yes, Dr Hayton’s tweet which was hastily deleted when it became apparent that a lot of women weren’t impressed: ‘I was thinking about mixed sex prisons as an option for prisoners of both sexes to consider as an option. Would need to be risk assessed and probably more suited to tax offenders than sex offenders.’

It says a lot about Hayton’s views and priorities.

Datun · 29/11/2020 11:34

No. For goodness sake.

It's so jarring when you recognise entitlement for what it is.

Why should women, vulnerable, incarcerated women at that, be used to validate men's feelings of their inner identity!

I'm not surprised it was deleted. But too late, everyone can see the thoughts behind the tweet.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 29/11/2020 11:39

I'm not surprised it was deleted. But too late, everyone can see the thoughts behind the tweet.

Which has to be a good thing.

Whatwouldscullydo · 29/11/2020 11:54

Sometimes people need saving from themselves. Its in no ones best interests to have mixed sex prisons and the idea that women should be given the opportunity to find out the hard way.... Angry

This risk assessment suggestion is infuriating. Its what 1 percent of rapes reported get conviction? And the percentage anyone reports is anysmal too because know there's no point.

We can therefore safely assume the majority of men who have assaulted/raped women are walking free, so if they got caught for tax evasion then that doesn't mean they are safe to have around women. Just means in many cases they weren't caught for anything else .

testing987654321 · 29/11/2020 12:00

I was thinking about mixed sex prisons as an option for prisoners of both sexes to consider as an option.

That's never going to be in women's best interests. Of course it's the kind of a idea a man would ponder on.

PotholeParadies · 29/11/2020 12:07

We can therefore safely assume the majority of men who have assaulted/raped women are walking free, so if they got caught for tax evasion then that doesn't mean they are safe to have around women. Just means in many cases they weren't caught for anything else

Indeed. Mobster Al 'Scarface' Capone went to prison for tax evasion. He certainly wasn't a non-violent offender.

Clymene · 29/11/2020 12:13

What would women have to gain from being housed with men?

As always, we have to consider who suggestions for legal changes would benefit. Clue: it's very rarely women.

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Clymene · 29/11/2020 12:16

Here's the follow up tweet (also deleted)

Debbie and Stephanie Hayton interview transcript
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Whatwouldscullydo · 29/11/2020 12:22

What would women have to gain from being housed with men

Female prisoners don't even get adequate health care or their basic needs such as sanpro provided sufficiently. Wheres the extra money coming from for all these extra risk assessments and supervision of prisoners. Its all a bit like the schools isnt it? Kids having to read books that are falling apart and constantly having to ask for donations for things like loo roll and tissues and the pe teacher iamd sixth formers are having to take over teaching history and math and geography, but suddenly money appears and staff to supervise when you want to build mixed sex toilet.ConfusedHmm