University Forced to Rescind Transgender Sports Policy

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A bit of good news from America

concernedwomen.org/press-release-university-forced-to-rescind-transgender-sports-policy/

Transgender policies have turned Title IX on its head, denying the rights of women and girl athletes to compete only against athletes of the same sex and threatening the future of women’s sports.

They most certainly have. Well done this group.

Brilliant news. If I'm interpreting this correctly, and the Franklin Pierce policy is similar/the same as the wider NCAA policy, surely this means that that policy will be found in breach as well?

This is great news-I can hope the women who got 2nd and 3rd place will have retroactive medals? (Or maybe this is only forward acting). I believe Concerned Women's for America is Phyllis Shafley's org. Which sucks that only a conservative women's group took on this issue....but sports seem such an obvious place for sex-separate competitions.

Good news!

New Hampshire. Interesting.

It's such a strange situation that a women's group with 'biblical principles' should be at the front in keeping women's sports for women.

This must be a very good sign

I don’t think it is that strange - by holding to biblical principles they are holding to a set of values that are not so open to changes in society. It means they will stand against ‘progressive’ ideas and not so easily manipulated by other ideologies.

Great news

Need more information. This appears to be a complaint rather than a case in law. How will this affect the law. Is this a one off which will then need to be taken up through the courts, or can it be used as precedence, which would force all sports bodies to change their policies. Is this a small battle or a big one.

@Aesopfable

I don’t think it is that strange - by holding to biblical principles they are holding to a set of values that are not so open to changes in society. It means they will stand against ‘progressive’ ideas and not so easily manipulated by other ideologies.

Agreed.

Also I think Biblical groups and feminist groups have several areas of common ground, which both sides are probably loath to admit. For instance, I've never attended a church that has been anything less than critical about pornography and it's negative impact on relations between men and women.

Now, I'm not trying to say that these groups are a hotbed of feminism - of course not. Anyone who has attended any sort of discussion on headship in marriage has to deal with some very un-feminist teachings.

However, in my view there is more overlap than either side would like to acknowledge and it should be possible to work together on certain issues without demonizing each other.

Yes, I saw this--it will be the first of many challenges and rethinks.

An Athlete Who Ran NCAA Track As A Man For 3 Years Just Won An NCAA Women’s Title

Will they rescind the the title win too?

Well done Concerned Women for America (CWA) - seems it was a civil rights complaint to the dept of education

That is excellent news. I was brought up going to Sunday School and church every week and although I don’t go regularly now (Easter and funerals mainly) regard myself as a Christian. People find a lot of value in the process of sitting quietly and thinking about life and how they can help people and be kinder.

I have thought a lot about it over the years as obviously I am very aware of the atrocities and damage done over the years in the name of religion.

My conclusion is that the basic rules of Christianity ie the 10 commandments are rules to help us all live comfortably together in a good society. I don’t agree with everything written in the bible but the bible is an interpretation of the rules written by people with their own agenda. As I understand it, the basic rules of Islam for eg are similar - just a framework for a good society.

Anyway, I don’t want to derail - I hope that this ruling and the groups that have managed to create this traction gets wider publicity- the LGB Alliance America are doing their best to spread the word but I think it would be good if this gets publicised as widely as poss.

Maybe we could send it to England Rugby :-)

Is this a one off which will then need to be taken up through the courts, or can it be used as precedence

I don't think so. It appears to be the result of mediation- so essentially the uni have agreed after (presumably) it became clear they would have a hard time defending their position in court.

However, in my view there is more overlap than either side would like to acknowledge and it should be possible to work together on certain issues without demonizing each other.

True. I also think 'biblical principles' varies wildly. Most Christians (even in America) will not be the Bible bashing nutters. All that 'love thy neighbour' stuff is the reason that Christianity has a long history of social justice work.

@FindTheTruth

An Athlete Who Ran NCAA Track As A Man For 3 Years Just Won An NCAA Women’s Title

Will they rescind the the title win too?

I don't know, but personally, I think that as cheats they should be stripped of any titles and in the case of high school runners, should also be stripped of any scholarships obtained.

They're cheating and should be treated with the same disdain as any other cheat.

I don't think so. It appears to be the result of mediation- so essentially the uni have agreed after (presumably) it became clear they would have a hard time defending their position in court. Likely this will be a propellant raddled. Needs media attention, is that likely

I think that as cheats they should be stripped of any titles and in the case of high school runners, should also be stripped of any scholarships obtained.

They didn't cheat, they followed the rules. Those rules were unfair but the emphasis should not be on a young athlete who may genuinely have gender dysphoria to have the wisdom to see that. The uni should have been setting fair rules in the first place.

They can't rescind a title when the winner followed the rules at the time.

Likely this will be a propellant raddled.

I'd hope so but any court decision would be much more of one. The problem is that unis may feel the DofE will be reversing it's policy in a few months.

@FindTheTruth

An Athlete Who Ran NCAA Track As A Man For 3 Years Just Won An NCAA Women’s Title

Will they rescind the the title win too?

Christ on a bike that article is !!! And the video clip. Even if you don't read all of the article (though it's definitely worth reading), watch the embedded video clip.

hmmm.. what is the point of difference here?

The University withdrew its trans policy based on International Olympic Committee guidelines based on Joanna Harpers (flawed) research

YET...

All around the world organisations like British Cycling have a trans policy based on International Olympic Committee guidelines based on Joanna Harpers (flawed) research

what is the point of difference here?

US Title 9, ruling out sex discrimination, is old. There is just no way to argue it includes transwomen as women and very difficult to pretend that it isn't being broken when a male is winning women's titles.

The UK EA2010 was written after UK law provided scope for legal sex change and extends protection to the very vague 'people who intend to transition'.

We haven't yet had a strong enough example in the UK to convince a court that women would be systemically disadvantaged (and courts work from evidence in relation to a specific case).

I hope the case that tests this is really strong because a defeat risks opening the floodgates.

Sport scholarships to college are a huge thing in the USA. If nothing is done to prevent them, transwomen will easily colonise the entire college offering, completely excluding the entire set of girls and young women who have done the early morning starts and gruelling training schedules in the pool, on the track or on the field since they were in single figures.

However hard they work and train, whatever women's records tumble, transitioners with all the benefits of a lived male puberty (bone length, muscle mass, heart and lung capacity etc etc) are going to clean up every time. Their times against men might look mediocre at best, but against women they look amazing.

When it's just one, the women may feel it worthwhile to continue competing for silver and second, but when it's multiple transitioners the women might as well give up and go home, forgetting their college education and abandoning their ambitions.

Even if this is not the sole aim of transitioning athletes, it will still be the outcome.

@raddledoldmisanthropist

what is the point of difference here?

US Title 9, ruling out sex discrimination, is old. There is just no way to argue it includes transwomen as women and very difficult to pretend that it isn't being broken when a male is winning women's titles.

The UK EA2010 was written after UK law provided scope for legal sex change and extends protection to the very vague 'people who intend to transition'.

We haven't yet had a strong enough example in the UK to convince a court that women would be systemically disadvantaged (and courts work from evidence in relation to a specific case).

I hope the case that tests this is really strong because a defeat risks opening the floodgates.

good clear explanation raddle thank you. so it massively affects the definition of sex discrimination in the UK.

Wiki: The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 protected women from discrimination on the grounds of sex. The Gender Recognition Act 2004 and The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 (Amendment) Regulations 2008 amended parts of this Act to apply to transsexual people

As I understand it, the basic rules of Islam for eg are similar - just a framework for a good society.

Same with the rules of Hinduism: Sanatana Dharma encompasses the list of duties and practices that all Hindus must comply with. This list of practices includes virtues like honesty, goodwill, patience and generosity.
Also, Hindus are very tolerant of all religions and do not claim to have the one and only truth. They see all religions as valid but different paths to the same goal, and their codes of conduct enable living together peacefully.

Hindus are very tolerant of all religions and do not claim to have the one and only truth.

Ha go tell that to Muslims in India. Hinduism has a lot of different versions and, as with any ideology, bigots use it to put themselves above the people they hate.