RFU clears TW to play at *all* levels of rugby

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the absolute fuckers!!!

Does this also means that women can start doping with testosterone? If they raise their levels to whatever minimum is required for men to play?

Surely they can't be excluded on that basis. That would be sex discrimination. Treating a man more favourably than a woman in the same circumstances.

@Cuntysnark

I had to turn Nick Ferrari off when an ex coach (for children) was burbling about ‘they should play where they feel most comfortable’. Incandescent doesn’t come close. In fairness Nick did a Benjamin Buttonesque gasp are that 😂

In that case, can they play on the children's team, if that's where they feel most comfortable?

My radio is going to go flying out the window soon.

I can’t quite decide if it was the student spokesperson (or other) ranting on R4 this morning - quite forcefully - about everyone being hung up on Christmas (when not everyone is Christian) and students wanting to go home/stay/both. Look lady, most of my family aren’t remotely Christian but this time of year is more than pudding and crackers, it’s about time off with family you dingbat.

Or maybe it was the labour woman crying on about women (oh yes those) being forced into prostitution - but I thought that labour thought that prostitution was proper work (presumably with pension, private healthcare and paid holidays?).

In both cases - just shooting any rabbit that came out of the hat - no actual suggestions or alternatives, just complaining. As my old boss used to say ‘don’t bring me problems - bring me solutions’.

Everyone is pissing me off right now to be honest.

What about the women's feelings in this? What if they don't feel comfortable playing against a biological male?

I don't understand why the feelings of women are entirely ignored.

Everyone is pissing me off right now to be honest.

Tell me about it. I’m pregnant and hormonal as fuck and this is not good for the blood pressure 😡

It will take a compensation claim after someone gets badly hurt to stop this shit. Knobheads.

Every time a transwoman plays rugby, a minimum of 17 women are disadvantaged:

1 woman who should be in the team but is relegated to the bench.
1 woman who should be in the match day squad but is pushed out because of the woman who is relegated to the bench.
15 women on the opposition who have to tackle or be tackled by a transwoman.

Then add:
Any women who might come on for another woman who has been injured by that transwoman.

The referee - male or female - who has to make the decision to go ahead with the game and live with that decision should something catastrophic happen.

Then add: all the other women in the same league whose teams can’t compete with the team that has a male playing, if that team is dominant as a result of their superior size, strength and speed.

And this is all so a transwoman can feel “comfortable”.

Just fuck off.

Awesome post notbad

👏💪💪💪

FairFriday

I feel the same when I am listening to interviews and call ins. There are plenty of dingbats and drongos out there.

I've never been angry enough to donate before, but I just added to the fair play for women crowdfunder.
I might have finally reached peak.



So livid I've forgotten how to post. But feels appropriate:

@NotBadConsidering

Every time a transwoman plays rugby, a minimum of 17 women are disadvantaged:

1 woman who should be in the team but is relegated to the bench.
1 woman who should be in the match day squad but is pushed out because of the woman who is relegated to the bench.
15 women on the opposition who have to tackle or be tackled by a transwoman.

Then add:
Any women who might come on for another woman who has been injured by that transwoman.

The referee - male or female - who has to make the decision to go ahead with the game and live with that decision should something catastrophic happen.

Then add: all the other women in the same league whose teams can’t compete with the team that has a male playing, if that team is dominant as a result of their superior size, strength and speed.

And this is all so a transwoman can feel “comfortable”.

Just fuck off.

And don’t forget the team mates who may not ‘feel’ comfortable in the changing rooms, or not ‘feel’ safe when training, or not ‘feel’ That they are playing fair.

If it’s all about feelings then what about the 20-odd women’s who aren’t getting the ‘feel’?

Datun

*Does this also means that women can start doping with testosterone? If they raise their levels to whatever minimum is required for men to play?

Surely they can't be excluded on that basis. That would be sex discrimination. Treating a man more favourably than a woman in the same circumstances*

Lawsuits galore. It's marvellous stuff. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

RFU has just endorsed drug (T+) doping for female rugby players. Well done blokes. Inclusion and all that.....

Datun

Does this also means that women can start doping with testosterone? If they raise their levels to whatever minimum is required for men to play?

Surely they can't be excluded on that basis. That would be sex discrimination. Treating a man more favourably than a woman in the same circumstances

Yes.

Do we have a Barristers, Solicitors and investigative journalists here who are ready to get richer able to take on the cases rugby players can now bring against the RFU?*

*Rhetoric

This comment from the Times puts it simply:
If safety comes first, as the RFU continues to trumpet, why is it not a temporary ban on transgender players while more evidence is gathered?

It's so blindingly obvious that it should be that way around (if you think that there's any argument at all for post pubertal males in women's sports, that is).

I expect when women are hurt the RFU and others will bleat that they chose to play or didn't take personal responsibility by dodging fast enough.

Please FairPlayForWomen start a grassroots petition for RFU and British Cycling. I have 'dug' for FPFW here - they urgently need your help to continue their vital work.

below is an idea for an open letter petition (most of it lifted from the EHRC response to the GRA consultation)....

-----OPEN LETTER - PETITION----

To: RFU President-His Honour Judge,Jeff Blackett

We are calling for the RFU to withdraw its transgender participation policy, which effectively decides that there is no women's rugby. There is men's rugby, and there is mixed-sex rugby.

The Equality Act and the European Human Rights Commission say that a transgender player can be excluded from women’s rugby.

Sport section of the Equality Act 2010, section 195 www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/195

Sections 195(1) and (3) of the EA 2010 permit the exclusion of men or women from competitive sports events or activities where the average physical strength, stamina or physique of one sex puts them at a disadvantage compared to the respective average of the other sex.

In addition, trans people can be excluded from gender affected activities, under section 195(2) EA 2010, where it is necessary to do so for reasons of fair competition or the safety of competitors.

The EA 2010 permits an inclusive approach towards trans people while setting out safeguards for the rights and interests of others. Under the EA 2010, fair competition and the safety of competitors (and not possession of a GRC) will be the critical considerations to determine if gender reassignment discrimination is permitted.

The female sport category was invented to make sport inclusive of women & girls. Opening the female category to males excludes women and girls.

If we want inclusive sport we must have categories

----------------

Ross Tucker is remarkably calm and factual, isn't he.

And he's been bombarded with Kirsti Miller's nonsense probably weekly for months. Which always goes the same way "here's a photo of me decades pre-transition. Here's a photo of me now, as a 50+ year old person playing against this young large female player. You're a [insert insult after insult after insult here]"

Repeat ad finitum.

@PurpleHoodie

Datun

*Does this also means that women can start doping with testosterone? If they raise their levels to whatever minimum is required for men to play?

Surely they can't be excluded on that basis. That would be sex discrimination. Treating a man more favourably than a woman in the same circumstances*

Lawsuits galore. It's marvellous stuff. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

RFU has just endorsed drug (T+) doping for female rugby players. Well done blokes. Inclusion and all that.....

I'm certain it will happen. I mean why not? They can no longer appeal to fairness and the ethos of clean sport.

And yes NotBad, it's not just about winning and medals.

Yes PearPickingPorky

The utter disconnect that that person has with reality is astounding. But there are now a few. Including one who keeps telling Ross that Ross is discriminating against them because of course they are no longer 'male' at all. Can't Ross see that!!! And they have a certificate in fitness so know that the rugby cannot have the appropriate evidence.... Ross keeps calm and just keeps referring them to the facts and that Harper was there and at least one other transwoman as spokespeople.

In a recent tweet, Ross said 'This would represent a kind of 'blurring' of the category lines through exemptions, which might be where sport heads in this 'new world'. It would be a shame for those in the lower protected categories though. I wonder why so few think of them and consider their rights to fairness and opportunity and in some instances, safety, if protections of categories are removed.'

Thank you Ross.

This more than anything is making me reflect on how I have enabled this to happen by conforming to language use that distorts reality.

The utter disconnect that that person has with reality is astounding. But there are now a few. Including one who keeps telling Ross that Ross is discriminating against them because of course they are no longer 'male' at all.

I just posted on the Sharron Davies thread about trans footballer Blair Hamilton who says: "My body right now is more female than male, which means I am not at an advantage on the pitch.”

Some of these people seem to think 'female' means 'weak and puny male', so any male who considers himself a bit weak and puny must be female and so should compete in female sports.

@MichelleofzeResistance

This more than anything is making me reflect on how I have enabled this to happen by conforming to language use that distorts reality.

Yes. Same.

It's a psychological thing. Consider:

"Transwomen are women."

vs

"Biological males who identify as women are women."

To my mind, one statement seems almost logical. The other less so.

My body right now is more female than male,

I saw that too, and thought no it bloody isn't.